Do we know there was sex? Looked like buddy fun to me.

Maybe I misunderstood something, but at the very end of the night after all the buddy fun was over Sierra turn out the light and went into Topher's arms in Topher's bed. You saw the last bit outlined in the window after the light went out. So that is really STRONGLY implied sex.

Or maybe what I saw was blowing out a Birthday cake. So maybe it was innocent, and I'm misunderstanding.

OK, my bad. Sierra was bring Topher a Birthday cake. OK so not part of the horrid rape thing.

I thought that was sort of the point. Topher wanted a friend not a sex partner.

Yeah, I thought they screwed up at the end. I was wrong. I'm thinking of changing my user name to Guacface.

And here I was thinking that it didn't have to be sex to be rape, which is why I've given up on the whole argument. Whether they fuck them or not is not relevant to the rape issue. It's not the sex, it's the control. Whether it's a tea party with teddy bears or whips and chains or bows and arrows. I thought that this had been implied in most of the conversations going on here.

And why I have stopped raising an eyebrow whenever there is sex. If the one is rape, so is everything else, or none at all unless specified by the current imprint. I feel like I've been f'duh'd this before, but then I don't see this in following conversation.

Or maybe I should crawl back under my rock.

Umm - OK, this is something where I may need to be educated. I thought rape did involve sex (defining sex very broadly to include whips and chains and ropes and role playing and so on). But kidnapping someone and making them play laser tag, or battleship od D&D I'm pretty sure is not sex. Kidnapping or some similar crime. Yeah rape is about power, but it is also (at least for the rapist) about sex. Not all kidnapping is rape, though kidnapping without rape still evil.

What is forcing someone to do something non-sexual through mind-control? Assault?

What is forcing someone to do something non-sexual through mind-control? Assault?

What about hypnosis? The person volunteers to be hypnotized, but ends up clucking like a chicken or forgetting the number 6.

Certainly it is abuse, but rape is in my mind quite specifically sexual abuse.

Topher programming Sierra to play video games is perhaps an attempt at creating a gray zone, but as cute as the scenes were, still abuse. Scenarios where the Actives are used to do real good, still abuse.

The Actives may if given a choice have sex, play video games, or rescue kidnapped kids, but there is that whole choice thing.