Brief digression, anyone know the ratings for this show from week 1 to week 2?
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Kat - Feb 22, 2009 5:15:51 pm PST #14 of 5827
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
§ ita § - Feb 22, 2009 5:29:27 pm PST #15 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Dollhouse came in third behind a Flashpoint repeat (8.06 million viewers) and Supernanny (5.25 mil), dipping 10 percent from its premiere to 4.22 mil. That said, Dollhouse actually gained viewers over the hour. Friday Night Lights surged 14 percent to just under four mil.
Fay - Feb 22, 2009 5:39:02 pm PST #16 of 5827
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Sweet sixteen?
DavidS - Feb 22, 2009 6:04:20 pm PST #17 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
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quester - Feb 22, 2009 7:04:56 pm PST #18 of 5827
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.
Whoo hoo! New thread!
quester - Feb 22, 2009 7:05:16 pm PST #19 of 5827
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.
Scrappy - Feb 22, 2009 8:37:34 pm PST #20 of 5827
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
I am of two minds on the show. I agree with Tep that she IS being raped and that it is horrible, but I think that's the point. I mean, I think that her recovering herself and fighting the Dollhouse (which is where it seems the show is going) means she is fighting a group which has made her and her fellow dolls go through the worst possible theft, of identity, of free will, of personal autonomy. The rape is part of the evil. The rape is not only part of the evil, the rape is a metaphor for what is happening to Echo's whole self.
The first episode was pretty crappy and exploitative, but the second made me feel like we are watching a character who truly has all the odds stacked against her, but whose essential personhood is fighting its way back to strength. If that's where the show is going, then the awfulness of what Echo is going through now is a greater obstacle to overcome, and that can make for better conflict. If it isn't and we just get more sex of the week, than I am gone.
Pix - Feb 22, 2009 8:48:07 pm PST #21 of 5827
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie
I am of two minds on the show. I agree with Tep that she IS being raped and that it is horrible, but I think that's the point. I mean, I think that her recovering herself and fighting the Dollhouse (which is where it seems the show is going) means she is fighting a group which has made her and her fellow dolls go through the worst possible theft, of identity, of free will, of personal autonomy. The rape is part of the evil. The rape is not only part of the evil, the rape is a metaphor for what is happening to Echo's whole self.
Scrappy, thank you. That is exactly what I have been thinking and yet not knowing how to express. I don't think the rape is meant to be a metaphor at all--I think it is exactly the point. How is human trafficking in the real world any less horrific? If, as Scrappy says, this is a character whose "essential personhood is fighting its way back to strength," then I'm in. If it remains sex of the week, nsm. So I'm on the fence.
Sean K - Feb 23, 2009 12:09:39 am PST #22 of 5827
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Hmm. Interesting comments. Still haven't seen the damn show yet.
Theodosia - Feb 23, 2009 1:49:09 am PST #23 of 5827
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
I'm very much with Scrappy and Kristin with the overall direction of the show, and am willing to grant it some probation.
I don't know how much of this is because I haven't in fact seen the first episode, just the second. I'm thinking I'll wait until I've seen the third before I see the first, which really does seem to have left a bad taste in mouths here.