Y'all see the man hanging out of the spaceship with the really big gun? Now I'm not saying you weren't easy to find. It was kinda out of our way, and he didn't want to come in the first place. Man's lookin' to kill some folk. So really it's his will y'all should worry about thwarting.

Mal ,'Safe'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Kevin - Apr 04, 2009 8:30:16 am PDT #1155 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Consuela, a man also punched rape boy, remember.

Caroline is a moron, which - yes - doesn't help. In terms of arc, we're back at the beginning. Victor didn't even stand and wait for Sierra at the end.


Juliebird - Apr 04, 2009 8:55:57 am PDT #1156 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

The glitching actives have all been reset, taking a huge step back, so here's my hope: Paul becomes relevant. Paul starts making giant leaps of progress and he becomes pertinent to the story and helps actually drive it. Rather than briefly showing up in a tacked-on scene after what I thought was the end of the show. (I'm not even going to mention that watch-from-the-hall opening bookend). Crap, just did.


Dana - Apr 04, 2009 9:00:35 am PDT #1157 of 5827
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Why did they have to put November is such a dull outfit compared to the other escaping actives?

She was a hottie in her pajamas, though. Rrrowr.


Kevin - Apr 04, 2009 9:07:21 am PDT #1158 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I can't actually think of a good use for Paul. He's no threat to the Dollhouse, let's face it. And he couldn't be the Dollhouse's new cook.


§ ita § - Apr 04, 2009 10:17:26 am PDT #1159 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I found it totally skeevy that the "resolution" for Sierra's utterly traumatic rape issues is... to have another man be romantically interested in her

Her resolution was stated by Adele as being the confrontation. But then they had to keep her conscious for plot reasons until the kiss, and so they could all go out like a string of lights.

I have decided that Caroline is really damned naive

This was the closest to impressed with her that I've been. But she still nets out pretty low--lower than Paul. They're meant for each other. Her idea to walk the actives out into real life was completely moronic, but taking out the power and calling Paul both surprised me. I thought they were out of her demonstrated lead. I guess she did get the Rossum building blueprints, but that was all handwavey magic.

has her prisoned by a woman (this week)

This week? How about the whole series? What do you mean by this week? What am I forgetting?


Kevin - Apr 04, 2009 10:26:44 am PDT #1160 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

ita, Claire. Claire gave them the idea of how to fix all the self awareness issues over the last few months.


Liese S. - Apr 04, 2009 3:50:09 pm PDT #1161 of 5827
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I feel like this was a good and interesting episode that makes it clear to me that it's a show I am not going to enjoy.

Agree that Sierra's backstory makes me nauseated. There is no longer anything grey about the Dollhouse; it is utterly reprehensible. (I think the previous comment by Adele about "I believe in the good work we fund." is supposed to deflect this, that I can think the Dollhouse is awful but somehow support it for whatever the yet to be named "good work" is. But awful things fund good things all the time in the real world and that doesn't redeem them.)

I'm offended by the idea of these women needing something that oblivion and abuse can provide. It does not provide a service to a grieving mother or someone suffering a loss of physical freedom to deprive them of their identity and free will, regardless of the sense that forgetfulness would do so.

Lastly, there are abundant remaining gender issues even in episodes that are supposed to quell my discomfort. It turns out that there are female handlers, and yet again, the woman ends up beaten and bloodied on the floor. Sierra's story turns out to be all about the effect of the male gaze on her, and there is as yet little about her other than her status of a victim and a romantic interest that we're allowed to pursue. November's story is about thwarted motherhood, again, little of her own identity available. Echo has a savior complex (okay, that's probably not a gender issue) and is the sexual subject of Ballard's (ridiculous, gross, and unnecessary) dream.

Oh, and Victor has no story, apparently, he just exists to fill a role in Sierra's. All his "closure" was about an in-Dollhouse half experience.

Although I must say I agree with the above about that particular actor's ability. He rises head and shoulders above his coworkers at the moment.


§ ita § - Apr 04, 2009 4:28:00 pm PDT #1162 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So why does Adele bother to negotiate with some potential actives if she'll accept subjects handed over to her like meat?


§ ita § - Apr 04, 2009 4:32:38 pm PDT #1163 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Also, is it TV shortcut psychology that people dream what they want to be true? Because I don't, in real life. Nowhere near as much as I'd want.

It seems a cheap way of revealing Ballard's just another saviour-complex guy. I wanted to believe him when he told Mellie he wasn't hung up on Caroline that way. It was more interesting.


Hayden - Apr 04, 2009 4:39:07 pm PDT #1164 of 5827
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I agree with Liese about that episode.