Can we maybe vote on the whole murdering people issue?

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§ ita § - Apr 04, 2009 4:32:38 pm PDT #1163 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Also, is it TV shortcut psychology that people dream what they want to be true? Because I don't, in real life. Nowhere near as much as I'd want.

It seems a cheap way of revealing Ballard's just another saviour-complex guy. I wanted to believe him when he told Mellie he wasn't hung up on Caroline that way. It was more interesting.


Hayden - Apr 04, 2009 4:39:07 pm PDT #1164 of 5827
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I agree with Liese about that episode.


Liese S. - Apr 04, 2009 4:44:11 pm PDT #1165 of 5827
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

It's a good question. I mean, if there are candidates coming in to avoid presumable prison time, surely there's someone out there going, 'huh, wonder what happened to that person I was about to definitively incarcerate?'

So either Adele's negotiated with some authority in advance and the contract and the time with the candidate is just a farce, or maybe she doesn't care how they come to her? Or...?

I think sometimes people dream what they are afraid is true. And Paul's dream was more of a nightmare than wish fulfillment. So maybe we're not supposed to think that he does feel that way. But it's a roundabout way to show it if so.

But definitely agree that if taken literally, Ballard's definitely saviour complex as well (thank you for using that spelling; firefox red line bullied me out of it). Which, I suppose sometimes I'm afraid Joss is the one with the saviour complex, which is why it comes out in the character writing like this.


le nubian - Apr 04, 2009 4:57:47 pm PDT #1166 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

we don't know why Ballard is on the path of trying to find the Dollhouse, do we?


Kristen - Apr 04, 2009 5:00:41 pm PDT #1167 of 5827

He's trying to find his high school sweetheart, who left him at the altar because he was too creepy and obsessive? (He's been obsessing creepily about her ever since.)


Steph L. - Apr 04, 2009 5:14:19 pm PDT #1168 of 5827
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

if there are candidates coming in to avoid presumable prison time,

I assume that Caroline (and, now, Sam) are in the Dollhouse not to avoid prison time, but because Rossum knows that *they* know the dirty secrets about the experiments with fetuses, etc.

I don't think that Caroline (and Sam) would have made it to prison, or, if they had, that they would have lived very long inside. I think Rossum would have wiped them out.

This way, they serve a term for the Dollhouse, and before they're released back into the world, their Rossum-memories are permanently removed.


Steph L. - Apr 04, 2009 5:14:58 pm PDT #1169 of 5827
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Oh, and -- I love you, Liese, for how well you articulated the ick about this show.


Juliebird - Apr 04, 2009 6:30:53 pm PDT #1170 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Wasn't there an article where Joss said something very confusing about how we won't find out what drives Ballard this season, and leaving that a mystery was somehow the best narrative structure? Dude. We need *something* on Ballard to make us care. Hopping into bed with Mellie to prove that Bouncy the Rat guy was wrong doesn't cut it.


le nubian - Apr 04, 2009 6:37:46 pm PDT #1171 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I agree. Drop a few hints. Otherwise it is a bit too mysterious to make any sense.


Juliebird - Apr 04, 2009 7:31:55 pm PDT #1172 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

It's so mysterious I don't even realize there's a mystery, and just end up bored. And that's just wrong when we're talking about Tahmoh.