Simon: I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can... How do I know you won't kill me in my sleep? Mal: You don't know me, son. So let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.

'Serenity'


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Laga - Apr 06, 2009 5:23:12 pm PDT #729 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Did you think Watchman had a hopeful point in the comic books?

No, I don't think Watchmen ends with hope. But I think it's more believable that sheeple will go along with the plan if it's an alien threat instead of a god-like one.

what does one do against the space squid?

I do admit that ita has me stumped. I suppose I would start with research into the biology of the alien and interdimensional portals. I'm guessing Adrian would have some ideas, too.


DavidS - Apr 06, 2009 5:27:31 pm PDT #730 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

But I think it's more believable that sheeple will go along with the plan if it's an alien threat instead of a god-like one.

They won't unite for long. Even after WWII the U.S. and France were fighting ten minutes after DeGaulle was in office. And the 9/11 pax was short lived. It's kind of a stupid idea. Even the most sheep-like humans are going to forget about space squid dangers without regular reinforcement. You'd really need to stage a space squid attack on a semi-regular basis for decades.


§ ita § - Apr 06, 2009 5:28:19 pm PDT #731 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm guessing Adrian would have some ideas, too.

But either solution is his, since both crises are his.

From the movie I got the idea he thought he could discorporate and eliminate Dr. M. Less so from the book. Do the sources support my conclusions?


Ailleann - Apr 06, 2009 6:41:06 pm PDT #732 of 30000
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Even the most sheep-like humans are going to forget about space squid dangers without regular reinforcement.

I thought that was kind of the point. (Or at least, I took that away from the ending, but that might be because I read it post 9-11.) Ozy had this great idea, but it was all going to fall apart anyway.


Laga - Apr 06, 2009 7:34:16 pm PDT #733 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Prior to 911 I thought Ozy was a bad bad man but that his plan would work. Post-911 I don't think the plan will hold out for very long. I used to think that Alan Moore believed the plan would work. Now I'm not so sure. My attitude about the world has certainly changed since I was 19 and reading Watchmen for the first time. Perhaps I've allowed my naivete to frame my understanding of the book this whole time. Dang it, I just finished it and now I feel like I ought to read it again.


DavidS - Apr 06, 2009 8:12:57 pm PDT #734 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

From the movie I got the idea he thought he could discorporate and eliminate Dr. M. Less so from the book. Do the sources support my conclusions?

I think Brute Discorporation was always Plan A, because that offered the most control, but the less reliable Plan B (talky meat) was always factored in. He had a psych profile on Manhattan for a long time, so he was playing that angle for years. Trying to play on his disassociation and force him off-planet.


Jessica - Apr 07, 2009 3:48:55 am PDT #735 of 30000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

My impression from the book (and I'm mainly posting this so that Miracleman can swoop in and correct me with an actual cite) was that Veidt thought Plan Disintegration was worth a try, but wasn't banking on it being permanent.


Ailleann - Apr 07, 2009 4:19:09 am PDT #736 of 30000
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I also think that maybe Veidt got a little too full of himself wrt his power. He thought he was all-powerful, he thought it was a good idea, so clearly it was a good idea.


tommyrot - Apr 07, 2009 6:11:50 am PDT #737 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

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Aims - Apr 07, 2009 6:26:57 am PDT #738 of 30000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

A real Heather - Heather Graham - was cast as Heather McNamara, but her parents wouldn’t let her take the part because they thought the language and the content were too risque.

Good thing she held out and was able to make less-risque films like Boogie Nights.