I saw Watchmen today. That was about three different movies, and I think one of them was really good.
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Dana - Apr 06, 2009 4:12:17 pm PDT #719 of 30000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
tommyrot - Apr 06, 2009 4:24:33 pm PDT #720 of 30000
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§ ita § - Apr 06, 2009 4:24:59 pm PDT #721 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can't agree with people who think the giant psychic squid plotline should have been put in there on top of all that, and what else was there to lose to make room for it and still make any sort of point like the book?
Because I think it made a similar point, just weaker.
Laga - Apr 06, 2009 4:30:19 pm PDT #722 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
I maintain that the point changed entirely from "we must unite to face a common enemy" to "Be good or 'God' will punish you".
Ailleann - Apr 06, 2009 4:31:01 pm PDT #723 of 30000
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What Laga said.
§ ita § - Apr 06, 2009 4:33:02 pm PDT #724 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think Manhattan was more godly in the book, and that the movie did a decent job of making him alien.
Dana - Apr 06, 2009 4:36:27 pm PDT #725 of 30000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
I was most enraptured during the Dr. Manhattan section of the movie in the middle, and the bits with Rorschach in prison.
There were a lot of good performances, and a lot of bad music.
Laga - Apr 06, 2009 4:41:59 pm PDT #726 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
I loved Rorschach all the way through.
I think the space squid gives hope that a united planet can eat it. If Dr Manhattan decided humans were a problem he could just wave his hand and make us go away.
edit... but I like my typo. nb- eat s/b defeat.
§ ita § - Apr 06, 2009 5:07:56 pm PDT #727 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think the space squid gives hope that a united planet can eat it.
How? There's no indication of why it didn't work. It was just so damned random.
I get your point that how can one fight Dr. M, but what does one do against the space squid?
DavidS - Apr 06, 2009 5:17:39 pm PDT #728 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I maintain that the point changed entirely from "we must unite to face a common enemy" to "Be good or 'God' will punish you".
Did you think Watchman had a hopeful point in the comic books? Because it's not. It's the most cynical thing imaginable. It's not a good thing that people unite against a common enemy in the book. It means people are sheep and need to be lead by lies. It's a totalitarian idea. Evil wins, innocents suffer and God walks away.
Both Watchmen and V for Vendetta are Moore looking at totalitarianism from different angles. Ozymandias is an ubermensch/Hitler. He's a zealot idealogue who'll destroy millions of people for his truth.
The two things the V for Vendetta movie got completely wrong were (a) the stupid love story angle; and (b) everybody putting on the mask. That's the opposite of Moore's point. It's not about "I am fucking Spartacus" and democratic unity. It's about radical, anarchic resistance.