Star Trek was full of touches for the serious fan, without being snooty to the casual fan.

Star Trek with sexy hotties and rebellious punks and fight scenes sounds like TOS to me. I totally hear what you're saying about Sherlock Holmes. From the marketing they're shorthanding to 'brilliant detective' and some assumptions about the relationship and time period. I just don't feel proprietarily towards the brand.

ST, on the other hand, I would, if I'd felt more than update. The scale didn't have to stay in the 60s, and the overriding Rodenberry ethos had left the franchise a while back. I think it was as true to the original as at least the last two serials, if not three. And I loved DS9.

And if you want to do a goofy Victorian buddy-action-comedy, do that,

YES, PLEASE. DO THAT. Make lots of movies like that. Bonus points will be awarded for mad scientists and occultists. Many many bonus points will be awarded for vampires.

(Wait. This kind of means I want League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, but without it being really bad. Should I eventually watch that movie and get it over with?)

No. Keep enjoying the version in your head.

I think it was as true to the original as at least the last two serials, if not three.

That could be, but I didn't watch more than a dozen episodes of any of them, because they didn't appeal to me either. For different reasons -- actually, I think I stuck with Voyager the longest (maybe half a season) because it was such an unbelievable trainwreck. The others bored me in different ways.

I'm not particularly attached to the franchise as a franchise. Maybe that's the sticking point. I liked that one show, even though it was cheesy. Hell, because it was cheesy. Making a shiny cool version of it is like, "Come see the reanimated corpse we built! It kind of looks like your friend if you squint!" It doesn't fill me with fuzzy feelings; it creeps me out.

Star Trek with sexy hotties and rebellious punks and fight scenes sounds like TOS to me.

Yeah, but the rebellious punks weren't the heroes. And the fight scenes were the resolution, not the plot.

I mean, even Wrath of Khan is not remotely an action-adventure story. The spaceship battles are sure fun, but both of them combined make up, what, 10 minutes of a 2 hour movie? The rest of it is people talking about aging and death and ethics and responsibility.

Kirk was a rebellious punk. He was just in charge.

And making it an action movie is where that genre went. It could have been a sci fi movie more like Sunshine, but I think that would have been even less Trekkie.

Heroes. Saving the day. Getting the girl. Looking good. Sometimes with a fight. In space. Roddenberry might turn in his grave, but I didn't get his peace among all peoples message until TNG because Kirk was busy being such a pompous ass (space cowboy segue from rebellious punk) interfering with all time and space.

Whoa, Kirk is not a rebellious punk. He's a company man! What's he rebelling against?

...You don't like Kirk? I'm surprisingly discombobulated by that.

And unrelated but more on topic: I'm with Glamcookie on Black Snake Moan. It's surprisingly sweet. Maybe a little too pat at the end, but yeah, I liked it a lot.

No. Keep enjoying the version in your head.

For the love of all that's holy, this.

For the love of all that's holy, this.

And if you haven't seen it yet, see The Amazing Screw-On Head.

You don't like Kirk?

Kirk never met an alien species whose government he didn't want to subvert. That's who he was rebelling against. His unofficial mission was to convert everyone to humanity, even if their way was working well enough for them--if it didn't make sense to Kirk, out the window it went, and in came his way.