Mal: He calls back, you keep them occupied. Wash: What do I do, shadow puppets?

'The Message'


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Strega - Dec 07, 2009 8:53:05 pm PST #5420 of 30000

I think it was as true to the original as at least the last two serials, if not three.

That could be, but I didn't watch more than a dozen episodes of any of them, because they didn't appeal to me either. For different reasons -- actually, I think I stuck with Voyager the longest (maybe half a season) because it was such an unbelievable trainwreck. The others bored me in different ways.

I'm not particularly attached to the franchise as a franchise. Maybe that's the sticking point. I liked that one show, even though it was cheesy. Hell, because it was cheesy. Making a shiny cool version of it is like, "Come see the reanimated corpse we built! It kind of looks like your friend if you squint!" It doesn't fill me with fuzzy feelings; it creeps me out.

Star Trek with sexy hotties and rebellious punks and fight scenes sounds like TOS to me.

Yeah, but the rebellious punks weren't the heroes. And the fight scenes were the resolution, not the plot.

I mean, even Wrath of Khan is not remotely an action-adventure story. The spaceship battles are sure fun, but both of them combined make up, what, 10 minutes of a 2 hour movie? The rest of it is people talking about aging and death and ethics and responsibility.


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2009 9:25:49 pm PST #5421 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Kirk was a rebellious punk. He was just in charge.

And making it an action movie is where that genre went. It could have been a sci fi movie more like Sunshine, but I think that would have been even less Trekkie.

Heroes. Saving the day. Getting the girl. Looking good. Sometimes with a fight. In space. Roddenberry might turn in his grave, but I didn't get his peace among all peoples message until TNG because Kirk was busy being such a pompous ass (space cowboy segue from rebellious punk) interfering with all time and space.


Strega - Dec 07, 2009 9:56:39 pm PST #5422 of 30000

Whoa, Kirk is not a rebellious punk. He's a company man! What's he rebelling against?

...You don't like Kirk? I'm surprisingly discombobulated by that.

And unrelated but more on topic: I'm with Glamcookie on Black Snake Moan. It's surprisingly sweet. Maybe a little too pat at the end, but yeah, I liked it a lot.


Cashmere - Dec 07, 2009 11:54:48 pm PST #5423 of 30000
Now tagless for your comfort.

No. Keep enjoying the version in your head.

For the love of all that's holy, this.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 08, 2009 3:15:26 am PST #5424 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

For the love of all that's holy, this.

And if you haven't seen it yet, see The Amazing Screw-On Head.


§ ita § - Dec 08, 2009 4:43:00 am PST #5425 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You don't like Kirk?

Kirk never met an alien species whose government he didn't want to subvert. That's who he was rebelling against. His unofficial mission was to convert everyone to humanity, even if their way was working well enough for them--if it didn't make sense to Kirk, out the window it went, and in came his way.


tommyrot - Dec 08, 2009 4:45:14 am PST #5426 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

How does Picard compare to Kirk in this? He's about as bad, right?

It used to bug me that it seemed like the Klingon High Council couldn't wipe their bums without Picard helping....


§ ita § - Dec 08, 2009 4:49:20 am PST #5427 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think the Federation was more effete by Picard's time. They may have stated the Prime Directive in TOS, but it was laughably ignored. At least when Picard was messing around it was with peer societies.


tommyrot - Dec 08, 2009 4:51:45 am PST #5428 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

At least when Picard was messing around it was with peer societies.

Oh, good point.


Jessica - Dec 08, 2009 4:56:52 am PST #5429 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Wait. This kind of means I want League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, but without it being really bad.

The new Holmes actually satisfies this desire more than I was expecting. There's a lot of the same blurry-line-between-magic-and-technology kind of thing going on.

And there's one scene especially that, well, if Alan Moore wasn't a hermit he'd probably be suing them for royalties. It's pretty blatant. (From a different book, but still.)

And if you haven't seen it yet, see The Amazing Screw-On Head.

YES YES YES YES YES. In fact, everyone do this anyway.