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P.M. Marc - Jun 26, 2009 10:30:39 am PDT #2627 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

She's a transwoman, is how I'd say it, probably. Your transperson may vary.


Aims - Jun 26, 2009 10:30:53 am PDT #2628 of 30000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I am also confused. We have a friend who is named E. She was once named [male name I don't know]. Is E transgendered from male to female?


Steph L. - Jun 26, 2009 10:34:22 am PDT #2629 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm pretty sure if you use the term "transgendered" or "transsexual," then the construction is (for example) " transgender/transsexual MtF (male-to-female)," for someone born a man who transitioned to female.

With "trans man" and "trans woman" (and many people who are trans prefer that it be 2 words, but not all feel that way), then "trans woman" means someone who was born a male and transitioned to female; "trans man" is someone born a woman who transitioned to male.

t edit But like Plei said, it's easier and more sense-making to use the "trans man/woman" construction rather than "transgendered female-to-male/male-to-female."

signed,
your friendly neighborhood transgender knowitall

t edit again It's "trans woman" for someone born a man who transitioned to female (and vice versa) because it identifies their *current* gender.

t edit one more damn time Identifying someone as their current gender is always the way to go. So you do NOT say "she is a male who is transgendered." Because *she* isn't a male, even if she was born one.


Connie Neil - Jun 26, 2009 10:39:47 am PDT #2630 of 30000
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Buckaroo Bonzai--this, along with Big Trouble in Little China, would be included in the "You can only take these things with you to a desert island" list.


Aims - Jun 26, 2009 10:50:07 am PDT #2631 of 30000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Teppy - insent.


P.M. Marc - Jun 26, 2009 10:52:10 am PDT #2632 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Identifying someone as their current gender is always the way to go. So you do NOT say "she is a male who is transgendered." Because *she* isn't a male, even if she was born one.

Yes! This. (I think one word is how most of my transfriends spell it. But either way, it is simple and elegant! And correctly identifies them!)


DavidS - Jun 26, 2009 10:53:04 am PDT #2633 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

She's a transwoman, or he's a transman? Your wording was confusing. From context, I'm gathering she's a transwoman?

Bio man who dresses and identifies female. Charlie hasn't had surgical reassignment, nor do I know if she wants to. I suspect not since Annalee paid for Charlie's nose job and I gotta figure that money would've been saved up for a reassignment surgery if that was a goal. I think Charlie likes being a chick with a dick.

Hence me opting for "transgender" over "transexual" and yet I think she's somewhere past "transvestite" too. I tend to use "transgender" to indicate the more fluid gender identity that is somewhere in the space between crossdressing and surgery.


Steph L. - Jun 26, 2009 10:58:13 am PDT #2634 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

chick with a dick

Seriously, PLEASE don't use this phrase again. It's incredibly offensive.

Bio man who dresses and identifies female. Charlie hasn't had surgical reassignment, nor do I know if she wants to.

Lots of transpersons never have surgery and yet live as their chosen gender. That doesn't make their gender identity fluid. There are lots and lots of reasons that transpeople don't have surgery -- money, the fact that it's not All That, the fact that they don't want to -- but it doesn't make them NOT their chosen gender.


amych - Jun 26, 2009 10:58:25 am PDT #2635 of 30000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

You're missing the question. "He's a trans woman" is grammatically nonsensical, as the terms are used within the trans community. (And surgery isn't the point at all.)


P.M. Marc - Jun 26, 2009 11:00:07 am PDT #2636 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Lots of transpersons never have surgery and yet live as their chosen gender. That doesn't make their gender identity fluid. There are lots and lots of reasons that transpeople don't have surgery -- money, the fact that it's not All That, the fact that they don't want to -- but it doesn't make them NOT their chosen gender.

Most trans men don't have bottom surgery, f'r ex.