It's interesting to me how much of the stuff in the movie was from the comics and therefore not as meaningful to me -- I was just like, "Noooooo! Not the Brooklyn Bridge!"

I'm surprised it's taken me this long to get to my first "betrayal" "embarrassing" "does he think we're stupid?" reaction--but the recesses of IO9 which are the only other places I've been reading posts--are usually more polite than that. Apparently the Talia reveal was completely obvious from way earlier on--the Special Forces betrayal (I looked the second time round--there was no obvious time for her to have given them up, telling Fox to turn on the power source--OBVIOUS FROM THE FIRST TIME WE MEET HER, PEOPLE. So we're all dumb. I'm not going to whitefont the complaint that the Wayne Manor floors are in too bad shape for the gap between movies--they should have been refinished--that's just something he feels strongly about, mmkay? He's the kind of person that feels the Robin literal reveal is a betrayal--because Nolan pledged something to us that could be breached in that way? I think that fanboy lack of perspective is kinda creepy, in all honesty. You, young sir, are not the primary audience. Because you will not make this movie turn a profit. He would like to please you, but his investors are the people he must not betray. And if you can't let that handling of the plot points slide...you are why we don't get nice things. Thank dog, though, that we did get this nice thing, despite you and your grumbling.

One thing though--I'd assumed that the drastically reduced assets at the end of the movie meant that, for some reason or the other, they never actually proved Daggett's fraud, although they might have had the long term Fox said they would need. Do you think so? I can't work out why they wouldn't, though, unless there were just bigger fish to fry.

is a betrayal--because Nolan pledged something to us that could be breached in that way?

Bah. This was not a Batman and Robin movie. The end of the movie was the entire point of the character of The Batman -- anyone can be The (goddamn) Batman. I guess I just really like the idea that, if someone who is NOT Bruce Wayne is going to carry on the Batman legacy, that there's a nod to the damn comics in the form of a damn name, however small, and despite not really meshing with comics canon.

Besides, he wouldn't be Robin, anyway. Not pixie boots, not even the contemporary Tim Drake version of Robin. Robin is a sidekick, and Blake was never -- and can never be -- a sidekick.

Relatedly, don't think I didn't love the HELL out of how Blake pulled a Tim Drake, Boy Stalker move right at the beginning with the "I know you're Batman" thing, because I really, really did. It doesn't have to be a panel-perfect reproduction of the comics to work for me. Not at all.)

I always thought that Michelle Pfeiffer's performance as Selina Kyle/Catwoman was one of the best performances in a comic book movie ever.

I mean, this scene? I don't think Tim Burton or Danny Elfman have ever done anything better and the great direction and music work because she's there anchoring it.

But you do understand that what she played has nothing to do with the Catwoman from the comics, right? So there's a limit to how good she can be, when she can't be relevant. It's not like they presented a compelling alternate history for her, they just made up an entirely new character (and then did it again for the movie). I haven't read every Catwoman appearance ever, so I can't vouch that this never happened, but it's certainly not a relevant part of her characterisation.

And I'm not going to not find purring women cheesy. It's a thing I can't take seriously. When Eartha does it, it's arch camp (and brilliant in that context). But it's not an actual movie character I can relate to.

Just got back from it, and I liked it a lot more than TDK, even if I did just have to handwave the US military and government letting someone hold a major city hostage for 5 months.

I'd managed to remain unspoiled, so I didn't know Talia was in the movie going in and figured it out in when she was present for the final Batman/Bane fight just before the reveal. But I did think she was in on the plan with Bane from the moment she convinced Lucius to activate the fusion reactor.

Y'know, I must not have ever seen any of the spoiler speculation about Talia must be in the movie because Marion Cotillard was cast. But then, I'm so used to the Tim Burton Theatre Cast of Characters that her being in a "bit part" didn't ping me during the movie.

The story as a whole didn't gel for me. I liked the movie, but ... eh. However, I loved the Scarecrow cameo, as in made squeaky noises of glee at it, teared up at predictable cry-points relating to Alfred, threw the horns at the screen when Alfred mentioned enjoying a glass of Fernet, and thought JGL was beyond awesome. Even if I wanted him to be explicitly mentioned as Dick or Tim.

But still, fun film.

I'm watching a movie on my laptop with subtitles, and keep hitting the space bar to page down, you know, to make the dialogue keep coming.

Javi's latest TDKR Tweet: whenever i have mere hours to save a city from annihilation, i like to put a little time aside to paint my logo on a building with gasoline.

Is that more or less important than french kissing?