is a betrayal--because Nolan pledged something to us that could be breached in that way?

Bah. This was not a Batman and Robin movie. The end of the movie was the entire point of the character of The Batman -- anyone can be The (goddamn) Batman. I guess I just really like the idea that, if someone who is NOT Bruce Wayne is going to carry on the Batman legacy, that there's a nod to the damn comics in the form of a damn name, however small, and despite not really meshing with comics canon.

Besides, he wouldn't be Robin, anyway. Not pixie boots, not even the contemporary Tim Drake version of Robin. Robin is a sidekick, and Blake was never -- and can never be -- a sidekick.

Relatedly, don't think I didn't love the HELL out of how Blake pulled a Tim Drake, Boy Stalker move right at the beginning with the "I know you're Batman" thing, because I really, really did. It doesn't have to be a panel-perfect reproduction of the comics to work for me. Not at all.)

I always thought that Michelle Pfeiffer's performance as Selina Kyle/Catwoman was one of the best performances in a comic book movie ever.

I mean, this scene? I don't think Tim Burton or Danny Elfman have ever done anything better and the great direction and music work because she's there anchoring it.

But you do understand that what she played has nothing to do with the Catwoman from the comics, right? So there's a limit to how good she can be, when she can't be relevant. It's not like they presented a compelling alternate history for her, they just made up an entirely new character (and then did it again for the movie). I haven't read every Catwoman appearance ever, so I can't vouch that this never happened, but it's certainly not a relevant part of her characterisation.

And I'm not going to not find purring women cheesy. It's a thing I can't take seriously. When Eartha does it, it's arch camp (and brilliant in that context). But it's not an actual movie character I can relate to.

Just got back from it, and I liked it a lot more than TDK, even if I did just have to handwave the US military and government letting someone hold a major city hostage for 5 months.

I'd managed to remain unspoiled, so I didn't know Talia was in the movie going in and figured it out in when she was present for the final Batman/Bane fight just before the reveal. But I did think she was in on the plan with Bane from the moment she convinced Lucius to activate the fusion reactor.

Y'know, I must not have ever seen any of the spoiler speculation about Talia must be in the movie because Marion Cotillard was cast. But then, I'm so used to the Tim Burton Theatre Cast of Characters that her being in a "bit part" didn't ping me during the movie.

The story as a whole didn't gel for me. I liked the movie, but ... eh. However, I loved the Scarecrow cameo, as in made squeaky noises of glee at it, teared up at predictable cry-points relating to Alfred, threw the horns at the screen when Alfred mentioned enjoying a glass of Fernet, and thought JGL was beyond awesome. Even if I wanted him to be explicitly mentioned as Dick or Tim.

But still, fun film.

I'm watching a movie on my laptop with subtitles, and keep hitting the space bar to page down, you know, to make the dialogue keep coming.

Javi's latest TDKR Tweet: whenever i have mere hours to save a city from annihilation, i like to put a little time aside to paint my logo on a building with gasoline.

Is that more or less important than french kissing?

I'm looking at runpee.com's entry for TDKR (front page: [link] and their peetimes are weird. The first one looks like it runs the risk of cutting into a great chase scene. The second one is better, and if you read the details you shouldn't get confused, but a fair amount of plot gets unspooled there.

The third one? Dude? You can't pee then.

However I have no better ideas. At 2 hours and 44 minutes, there have to be at least two good pee breaks--is 4 minutes the average length you're looking for? Maybe during the second jail attempt? I'm not sure where that is in the timeline, though, and what else it's adjacent to.

I just saw The Amazing Spider-Man and I gotta say, at risk of causing a kerfuffle, I like it much more than TDKR. Andrew Garfield just killed it and I always love me some Emma Stone. Lots of humanity and humor in the script.