I didn't really see where Loki had his voice stifled.
It's literalized at the end with him wearing the gag.
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DavidS - May 27, 2012 7:00:40 am PDT #20682 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
tommyrot - May 27, 2012 7:02:28 am PDT #20683 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Why did they gag Loki anyway? Could he otherwise cast spells? Or was everyone just sick of his yapping?
§ ita § - May 27, 2012 7:03:39 am PDT #20684 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It's literalized at the end with him wearing the gag.
That doesn't retroactively put it in the plot, though.
If that was a thrust of his issue, I found it weak. I don't think it's an empathetic reason to go off the deep end (not that villains have to be empathetic--just understandable is fine, and I thought he was that in Thor but not Avengers), and I don't think as shown it was extreme enough anyway.
DavidS - May 27, 2012 7:05:01 am PDT #20685 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Why did they gag Loki anyway?
Because he has a dangerous mouth. He's the Iago of the Gods, always spreading dissension.
Jessica - May 27, 2012 7:10:46 am PDT #20686 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I am FINALLY seeing Avengers! All it took was flying to Chicago for the weekend and leaving the kids at home with my parents.
SailAweigh - May 27, 2012 7:12:29 am PDT #20687 of 30000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
Because the point at which you take resentment at being shut up and make it into a problem that kills other people, you've lost my empathy.
Well, I have to admit, it never made me want to kill.
I'm curious, though. How many people here were fans of Spike? Especially in season 2? That liked "evil" Spike best and bemoaned the chip and the soul. Overlook the way some writers were sympathetic to him and some disliked him. Just the fact he was evil and a killer, but you still liked him. Why did you like him? He was conniving, a liar, a killer, ruthless, and also completely incompetent in pulling off his overcomplicated schemes.
Eh, I'm not going to change any minds. I don't want to. I was just trying to give some insight from another point of view. More from Loki's point of view than from Thor's, Odin's or Frigga's. I'm sure if you had asked either of my brothers if they did that to me, they would tell you it never happened. Thor is the hero of the story and we're seeing the movie from his point of view.
Steph L. - May 27, 2012 7:14:07 am PDT #20688 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
It's literalized at the end with him wearing the gag.
That doesn't retroactively put it in the plot, though.
This. I truly don't see where in Thor or Avengers (until the literal gag) Loki was stifled. Using those 2 movies as the text (i.e., not comics, not Norse mythology [Tim REALLY wants a movie with woman!Loki...no surprise there]), I don't see Loki being stifled, oppressed, cast aside, etc.
§ ita § - May 27, 2012 7:14:49 am PDT #20689 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
How many people here were fans of Spike?
I don't need any inherent correlation between "fans of" and "empathise with", though.
Steph L. - May 27, 2012 7:20:28 am PDT #20690 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
I didn't think Spike was a misunderstood woobie. Hot and evil, but no woobie.
SailAweigh - May 27, 2012 7:30:13 am PDT #20691 of 30000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
Hot and evil, but no woobie.
Not is season 2, for sure. But he did get plenty woobified later. And I think that's where a lot of folks here lost interest in him. Like Buffy, you like your villains death-ray-destroy-Metropolis evil, without any hint of sentimentality.
I don't need any inherent correlation between "fans of" and "empathise with", though.
I don't think there has to be, but I think there often is for many fans. Which is why your dash is so covered in Loki. We're all very sentimental.