I keep forgetting how many people can't actually tell Star Wars from Star Trek. I take so much for granted.
Good point. You're probably right that I'm over-estimating how much of an influence fans have on non-fans.
Yeah. He's my hero.
Mal ,'The Train Job'
Buffista Movies 7: Brides for 7 Samurai
A place to talk about movies--old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.
Sean K - Mar 02, 2012 10:45:08 am PST #18551 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Jessica - Mar 02, 2012 10:51:29 am PST #18552 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Where do the official channels of pop culture get their knowledge, if not from fans? At some point, doesn't the conversation have to eventually trace back to the people who liked the thing enough to talk about it in the first place?
Sophia Brooks - Mar 02, 2012 10:53:10 am PST #18553 of 30000
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
I am a non-comic fan, and when I think of The Avengers I think of Emma Peel.
Frankenbuddha - Mar 02, 2012 10:56:11 am PST #18554 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I am a non-comic fan, and when I think of The Avengers I think of Emma Peel.
I am a quasi-comics fan, and I'm the same way.
Tom Scola - Mar 02, 2012 10:59:44 am PST #18555 of 30000
hwæt
In the UK, the official title for The Avengers is "Avengers Assemble".
§ ita § - Mar 02, 2012 11:08:10 am PST #18556 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Where do the official channels of pop culture get their knowledge, if not from fans? At some point, doesn't the conversation have to eventually trace back to the people who liked the thing enough to talk about it in the first place?
I'd say marketing is a strong contender here. I am learning that The Avengers has comparable numbers to the X Men, but I'm not seeing that it has comparable pop culture penetration, so it can't be simply about the size of the fanbase--the fervency of the fanbase, perhaps? The fact that the X Men can be reduced to a MLK vs. Malcolm X or homophobia type issue and is easier and more exciting to re-package for the mainstream?
How do you sell the Avengers to a group of people that's not actually stopping to buy?
Frankenbuddha - Mar 02, 2012 11:09:25 am PST #18557 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Superheroes punch each other and blow/rip shit up?
Frankenbuddha - Mar 02, 2012 11:10:54 am PST #18558 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Admittedly that didn't work with the Hulk movies, but the plural aspect might help.
§ ita § - Mar 02, 2012 11:12:58 am PST #18559 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Superheroes punch each other and blow/rip shit up?
And how do you tell that apart from anything else, and why can't you just get that from the X-Men while you're there for the prejudice angst anyway? Why bother writing the story on them?
Tom Scola - Mar 02, 2012 11:13:11 am PST #18560 of 30000
hwæt
In my head, X-Men are Marvel's JLA
After the JLA comic became a success at DC, Stan Lee's boss ordered him to create a rip-off of it for Marvel. So he and Jack Kirby created the Fantastic Four.