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Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 30, 2011 5:56:50 am PST #16865 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Wouldn't her writing of the Bella character pretty much prove that?


Amy - Nov 30, 2011 5:58:40 am PST #16866 of 30000
Because books.

The Hairpin had an interesting piece on the movie by someone who suggested that Meyer could have been writing a reaction to her Mormon upbringing -- marriage and kids as the focus, but when Bella gets married and pregnant, it comes clear that she has no control anymore, body horror, etc.

I think the writer was ascribing way too much intellect to Meyer myself, but it was an interesting piece anyway.


le nubian - Nov 30, 2011 6:00:24 am PST #16867 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I think the writer was ascribing way too much intellect to Meyer myself, but it was an interesting piece anyway.

Indeed. It seems more like standard woman punishment for enjoying sex and having it.


-t - Nov 30, 2011 6:24:57 am PST #16868 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I finally watched Primer. That's a complicated movie, eh? I have a feeling that I could watch it over and over again trying to puzzle out exactly what's what and not actually be satisfied (the things that nag at me are the refrigerator and catalytic converter).


Polter-Cow - Nov 30, 2011 6:30:39 am PST #16869 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I finally watched Primer. That's a complicated movie, eh?

Yes.


Burrell - Nov 30, 2011 9:16:48 am PST #16870 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

It seems more like standard woman punishment for enjoying sex and having it.

I haven't seen the movie, but in the book, I felt like her pregnancy was more like punishment for being human, not punishment for enjoying sex.

The weirdest thing to me about the whole book series is how static and passive Bella is. Even her special power is passive aggressive!


§ ita § - Nov 30, 2011 9:38:01 am PST #16871 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The movie very much feels like she's not supposed to enjoy sex. Very much. After her wedding night, she's bruised, and Edward swears off sleeping with her again, but she doesn't mind because he loves her. Which has terrible subtext. If she'd just said, you know, that she likes it rough, I'd have laughed, cheered, and moved on.

But what a message to send to teens!

She actually does say (someone please correct me, tell me I'm wrong) that in a year she wants to look in the mirror and see a person like the person she sees when she looks at Edward now. That's how vacant her sense of self is. I was startled.


Burrell - Nov 30, 2011 12:38:48 pm PST #16872 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Fascinating. Yeah, in the book I felt the message was she was into the sex. Funny how often movies shift things in a more conservative direction.


§ ita § - Nov 30, 2011 12:41:50 pm PST #16873 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

She says it was good, but she really doesn't look like it was. It's perfectly possible that I'm blaming acting. But it was the picture of a victim excusing her abuser. It was really creepy. And not in a good vampire way.

In fact, Jacob was really pretty sensible throughout. Romance be damned.


le nubian - Dec 01, 2011 2:57:00 am PST #16874 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

The John Carter trailer made me think terrible things about the movie. Nothing about the movie looked original and I got no clear sense of plot or story.

Anyone have a different reaction to it?