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Buffista Movies 7: Brides for 7 Samurai  

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Amy - Nov 02, 2011 11:13:55 am PDT #16608 of 30000
Because books.

Team Finnick For Everything Ever

I'm on that team!


DebetEsse - Nov 02, 2011 1:14:24 pm PDT #16609 of 30000
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Yay, Team Finnick! We should make hats.

I definitely saw Katniss, for example, as less clearly-anglo (dark hair, olive-skinned). Lots of "generically ethnic" characters.


§ ita § - Nov 02, 2011 1:28:15 pm PDT #16610 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't mean to imply that y'all look alike, but surely Katniss as cast does have dark hair. This isn't like "Dean is blond" all over again, is it? However, I also don't know what Anglo looks like, so I'm talking from my left buttcheek.


DebetEsse - Nov 02, 2011 2:29:17 pm PDT #16611 of 30000
Woe to the fucking wicked.

She does, but she's clearly a White Girl. Like, even if I dyed my hair very dark, I would continue to be obviously White (I use "anglo" instead of "White". I blame Colorado.)

Partially because of 1)there's only so much physiological diversity of humanity 2)most people have mixed-ethnicity backgrounds and 3)Between Hollywood casting non-white characters with people of different non-white backgrounds and "seeing what we know" (trying to put people into familiar boxes)...there are a lot of people who, if one were to try to categorize, would probably go into the "not White" category for most people, but there would be a lot of different answers for "okay, then what?" I know that Hil, for example, has had people think she had a huge varieties of ethnic backgrounds (usually, iirc, whatever was common in the area).

Anyway, the idea originally came from looking at dolls who seemed to be designed so that the kid could project whatever ethnicity he/she wanted onto it. Which is rather how I read Katniss's description of herself, especially it would mean that she comes from a mixed-race family, which adds an interesting aspect to the story and her relationship to Prim.

Of course, I don't really know what Anglo looks like, either, a lot of time, and I am really bad at "guess the ethnic background" (which is far from something I worry about)


Amy - Nov 02, 2011 2:44:41 pm PDT #16612 of 30000
Because books.

Anglo, to me, means really typically British -- creamy skin, fair hair, light eyes. But that's not completely "British," either, since some of those traits came from the Vikings, right?


DebetEsse - Nov 02, 2011 2:46:04 pm PDT #16613 of 30000
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Yeah, I can see that. In Colorado (at least where I was), it was to differentiate from Hispanic.


Sophia Brooks - Nov 02, 2011 2:52:38 pm PDT #16614 of 30000
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I haven't read the books, but I have to say that "olive-skinned" to me means of Italian, Greek or Romany descent. Possibly because I am Italian American and have really weird pale olive skin.


§ ita § - Nov 02, 2011 3:08:16 pm PDT #16615 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Katniss read like nothing but white to me, so I never got the foofurrah. Her full sister is clearly white, so I never gave it a second thought. The casting looks just fine to me. But I don't think of English people as creamy blond either--there were only a handful of blondes in my year at school.


smonster - Nov 02, 2011 3:08:56 pm PDT #16616 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I believe we had a discussion in Literary that Katniss might be intended to have an Indian background, given where District 12 is and that she has gray eyes.


Liese S. - Nov 02, 2011 3:20:18 pm PDT #16617 of 30000
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, actually, before I read the books, I had foofurrahed, but that's just a default for me. After I read the books, Katniss read as completely white to me, so I was okay with the casting.

It is an awfully white cast, but it's Hollywood.

Anyway, yes, Team Finnick! We'll get there, right? Money to be made.