Cleveland drivers seem okay (and I say that through gritted teeth).

Oh, I think I'm an ok driver mostly because, while I did learn to drive in Cleveland, I was taught by my Dad who learned to drive in another state. Dear Old Dad was fond of saying, "In Ohio, when a baby is born, the doctor doesn't spank its bottom. Instead, the doctor whispers in the kid's ear 'You're an Ohioan, turn signals are optional.'"

In San Diego we always ranted about the Arizona drivers. I believe we called them Zoners.

Driving in Arizona has three main challenges: 1) dealing with the people from California who have not yet learned to relax; 2) dealing with people from rural Mexico who are still driving at siesta speed; 3) dealing with everyone else, who are mostly snowbirds.

They haven't done a thing to save their programs and it's been very disheartening.

How utterly hopeless and resigned they must feel. I'm glad that you are making headway for your program.

I learned to drive in Miami. Which means I learned to drive with influences from every state, several foreign countries, and lots of age.

Which means I've never been intimidated at the thought of driving in L.A. or Manhattan. Both of which I've done.

In Florida we call STOP signs, "Slow to an obvious Pause."

Yeah, there are only a few places I've been where I thought I might not want to drive. One of them was the middle of London, the other was The Arc de Triomphe in Paris.

I deal with Los Angeles all the time and Manhattan really didn't phase me.

I think what this discussion concludes is that all drivers are bad everywhere.

Le sigh. I got a really amazing performance review, and my boss said he recommended I be on the higher end of the compensation scale, but I just got the numbers, and they're not as extravagant as I'd hoped. They are nothing to sneeze at, mind you, but not as WOWIE COOL as I was expecting. So I don't think I can justify throwing two or three thousand dollars more at a Prius, however neat it is. I'll stick with what thrills me. Of course, I would have felt more comfortable either way if I'd gotten more money, but I'll live. I'm lucky to even have a job in this economy!

Yeah, there are only a few places I've been where I thought I might not want to drive. One of them was the middle of London, the other was The Arc de Triomphe in Paris.

Sweet zombie Jesus the Arc de Triomphe roundabout is insane. I've come to the conclusion that in Paris, pedestrian crossings are there only so the drivers know where to find you. (The horn is simply to ensure you're facing the right way for them to savour the look on your face.)

Actually, to expand that a little, in Rome it seems that the message behind honking the horn is "I am about to do something illegal and dangerous, and it would be pointless to do it without an audience." The only law anyone there seems to obey is one that (I presume) states it is illegal for one vehicle ever to be travelling behind another vehicle. In Athens, the message behind honking the horn appears to be "This car is equipped with a horn."

In Athens, the message behind honking the horn appears to be "This car is equipped with a horn."

The vast majority of the vehicles I have owned have been so old and decrepit, that they would not qualify for that one.

P-C, congrats on the raise, even if it isn't as spectacular as you had hoped.

in Rome it seems that the message behind honking the horn is "I am about to do something illegal and dangerous, and it would be pointless to do it without an audience."

So you're saying that Roman drivers are cats?

P-C, congrats on the raise, even if it isn't as spectacular as you had hoped.

On the upside, my boss—who is really my former boss now—is intent on getting me a promotion this year. Which will mean more money. (Also, it's a good incentive for me to stay, not that I was thinking of leaving this year anyway.)

Sweet Zombie Jesus, I hope most LA divers don't think they dig better than anywhere else, because most of them suck.

Billytea, please to pass the monitor cleaning tools.