I'm supposed to deliver you to the Master now. There's this whole deal where I get to be immortal. Are you cool with that?

Xander ,'Lessons'


Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Vortex - Mar 13, 2009 6:43:51 pm PDT #3542 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Again, it sounds pornarrific.

"'A merry Christmas and a happy New Year!' little Elsie," he said, kissing her on both cheeks. "Now I have caught you figuratively and literally, my little lady, so what are you going to give me, eh?"

come on!


Hil R. - Mar 13, 2009 6:50:46 pm PDT #3543 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Huh? I got to the end of the book, and it totally ends in the middle of the story! Elsie is worried that her father doesn't love Jesus yet, and she's worried that he might be marrying a woman she really doesn't like. The Jesus thing isn't resolved. The reader knows that her father isn't going to marry that woman, but for Elsie, the book ends with her crying herself to sleep.


Hil R. - Mar 13, 2009 6:55:30 pm PDT #3544 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

It looks like the second book starts the next morning. I'm not sure I have the strength to go through another one of these.


DCJensen - Mar 13, 2009 6:56:00 pm PDT #3545 of 30000
All is well that ends in pizza.

According to one source on the Internet, Elsie Dinsmore was written by the author to support herself after an accident.

In 1867 it was the second best selling juvenile, behind Little Women.


Hil R. - Mar 13, 2009 6:59:55 pm PDT #3546 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

In 1867 it was the second best selling juvenile, behind Little Women.

Which is also a book about girls, with something of a religious message, and light years ahead of Elsie in terms of any sort of measure of quality, or even propriety. Little Women? Not creepy. The March girls were self-sufficient, they helped other people, and they had actual personalities. (By the third sequel, Jo's Boys, the moralizing had gotten to be a bit much, but still nowhere near this.)


Hil R. - Mar 13, 2009 7:21:57 pm PDT #3547 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I feel like I need to go read Anne of Green Gables or The Secret Garden to cleanse my brain.


Fay - Mar 13, 2009 7:23:02 pm PDT #3548 of 30000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

...that really is the creepiest book ever, Hil.

Honestly, the whole thing just sounds like it's trying to groom little girls for unsavoury goings on.


Hil R. - Mar 13, 2009 7:30:26 pm PDT #3549 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Honestly, the whole thing just sounds like it's trying to groom little girls for unsavoury goings on.

Very much yes.

I just started reading the second book. (My shoulder is throbbing with pain. There is no way I'm getting to sleep any time soon, and I don't have the concentration to enjoy any of the non-creepy books I'm currently reading.) Elsie was invited to a party. She asks her father if she can go. He gives a list of reasons why it wouldn't be a good idea, but says she can make up her own mind. She says,

"Dear papa, you are very kind," she said, "but if you please, I would much rather have you decide for me, because I am only a silly little girl, and you are so much older and wiser."

She decides to stay home. "And she knew, by her father's gratified look, that she had decided as he would have had her."


Laga - Mar 13, 2009 8:06:21 pm PDT #3550 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I spent a lot of the epsiode trying to figure out where I know Seth from. Turns out he was on Slings & Arrows.


Hil R. - Mar 13, 2009 8:18:53 pm PDT #3551 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Wow. I thought this book couldn't shock me any more. I was wrong. Elsie's father saw her playing jacks with some other kids, and told her that she wasn't allowed to play that game, because it's unladylike to sit on the floor. A few days later, the kids want to play again. She tells them that she's not allowed to, and tells them why. Someone suggests that they play on a table instead of on the floor, and Elsie goes to ask her father if that would be alright. As punishment for asking again after he told her that the game wasn't allowed, he shuts her in the closet. Actually, he tells her to shut herself in the closet, which she does, obediently and submissively, as she does everything.