According to one source on the Internet, Elsie Dinsmore was written by the author to support herself after an accident.

In 1867 it was the second best selling juvenile, behind Little Women.

In 1867 it was the second best selling juvenile, behind Little Women.

Which is also a book about girls, with something of a religious message, and light years ahead of Elsie in terms of any sort of measure of quality, or even propriety. Little Women? Not creepy. The March girls were self-sufficient, they helped other people, and they had actual personalities. (By the third sequel, Jo's Boys, the moralizing had gotten to be a bit much, but still nowhere near this.)

I feel like I need to go read Anne of Green Gables or The Secret Garden to cleanse my brain.

...that really is the creepiest book ever, Hil.

Honestly, the whole thing just sounds like it's trying to groom little girls for unsavoury goings on.

Honestly, the whole thing just sounds like it's trying to groom little girls for unsavoury goings on.

Very much yes.

I just started reading the second book. (My shoulder is throbbing with pain. There is no way I'm getting to sleep any time soon, and I don't have the concentration to enjoy any of the non-creepy books I'm currently reading.) Elsie was invited to a party. She asks her father if she can go. He gives a list of reasons why it wouldn't be a good idea, but says she can make up her own mind. She says,

"Dear papa, you are very kind," she said, "but if you please, I would much rather have you decide for me, because I am only a silly little girl, and you are so much older and wiser."

She decides to stay home. "And she knew, by her father's gratified look, that she had decided as he would have had her."

I spent a lot of the epsiode trying to figure out where I know Seth from. Turns out he was on Slings & Arrows.

Wow. I thought this book couldn't shock me any more. I was wrong. Elsie's father saw her playing jacks with some other kids, and told her that she wasn't allowed to play that game, because it's unladylike to sit on the floor. A few days later, the kids want to play again. She tells them that she's not allowed to, and tells them why. Someone suggests that they play on a table instead of on the floor, and Elsie goes to ask her father if that would be alright. As punishment for asking again after he told her that the game wasn't allowed, he shuts her in the closet. Actually, he tells her to shut herself in the closet, which she does, obediently and submissively, as she does everything.

Did Elsie come out of this with PTSD?

California people: Is it easier to fly into Lax or John Wayne airport if one is going to Pasadena? We're trying to figure out if it is feasible financially and schedule wise to go to a get together being planned for D in the next couple of weeks.

Burbank, if you can. Then probably LAX.