Illyria: Wesley's dead. I'm feeling grief for him. I can't seem to control it. I wish to do more violence. Spike: Well, wishes just happen to be horses today.

'Not Fade Away'


Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Sep 16, 2009 11:52:40 am PDT #23394 of 30000
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

I'm speaking of the endless justification of a lesson, nut actually thinking about how to research, scaffold and present a lesson. My curriculum classes have made me a better teacher -- I do resent all of the minute, CYA, NCLB bs that is present in public secondary ed.

There are similar problems in the UK education system. Ridiculous amounts of paperwork, 'targets' that bear no relation to reality, and a massive lack of funding for the schools where it's most needed - all contributing factors in my current break from high school teaching. I loved it, but it was impossible to sustain the energy needed for teaching well.

It's just that stupid structure of society which targets some as more disabled or more deviant or more you-name-it than others.

That's very close to the social model of disability* - which is the perspective from which I work. It's more of a British thing than a US one, although a lot of US-based disability studies work focuses on the social construction/creation of disability too. I can point you to papers if you're interested.

*The main difference being my difficulty with the 'everyone's disabled' theory. I don't hold to that view, although some academics do. That's a longer conversation, though, and since it's nearly 10pm here (and I am disabled and need a lot more sleep than most people), perhaps we should address it another time...!


tommyrot - Sep 16, 2009 12:02:04 pm PDT #23395 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

and since it's nearly 10pm here

What kind of crazy, alien talk is this?

(Sorry)

This is a discussion - sometimes an argument - I have with other fellow SF/F readers: the problem with all fiction is it's written by *humans*. We cannot conceive of the truly alien, all we can do is take a certain number of steps away from "the norm" (whatever THAT means) - and if an author came up with the TRULY alien, it would be utterly incomprehensible.

Yeah, that bugs me from time to time. Just about every alien I've ever seen in SciFi movies, books, etc. still seems on some level (if not many levels) to be human to me.


Shir - Sep 16, 2009 12:03:47 pm PDT #23396 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

This is a discussion - sometimes an argument - I have with other fellow SF/F readers: the problem with all fiction is it's written by *humans*. We cannot conceive of the truly alien, all we can do is take a certain number of steps away from "the norm" (whatever THAT means) - and if an author came up with the TRULY alien, it would be utterly incomprehensible.

I don't know if alien-anything would be truly and utterly incomprehensible to us, but it's ought to be strange.

But all in all - YES, THAT and EXACTLY. Which only means that we don't really have options or choices, only variants of the Same and Sane. Just as we only have variants of The Other.

Did I mention how much I hate boxes of exact definitions? Although, all of this raise the question of how we "know" or "feel" that something is original and meaningful for us, and therefore, "true". From all of my pondering and wondering about it, I just found the name for it, as to all fandom related phenomenons: I think it's the punctum Barthes talks about in Camera Lucida [link] . But you can't have the punctum without the studium, and that's the dialectics which builds so much of out understanding of culture, politics, emotion and structure/action.

Which is why I'm trying to put aside dialectics for now, and switch to Latour, etc.. I wrote about it from another aspect a while ago: [link]

Edit: And seriously? Sometimes, after rereading my posts here, I'm just glad you can understand me despite everything. I can't understand myself when I read what I wrote!


Shir - Sep 16, 2009 12:05:13 pm PDT #23397 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

That's a longer conversation, though, and since it's nearly 10pm here (and I am disabled and need a lot more sleep than most people), perhaps we should address it another time...!

Oh, let's do so. And yes, it's late. in fact, it's so late it's now tomorrow here.


Polter-Cow - Sep 16, 2009 12:06:53 pm PDT #23398 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Just about every alien I've ever seen in SciFi movies, books, etc. still seems on some level (if not many levels) to be human to me.

One of the things I liked about Farscape was that the aliens were pretty alien. They didn't all have the same culture and perceive people and the world the same way.

The Star Trek episode "Devil in the Dark" was also pretty good about making an alien actually alien. There are a few episodes where they do that, I think, although most of them are very human or near-human in their "alienness."


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Sep 16, 2009 12:09:56 pm PDT #23399 of 30000
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

What kind of crazy, alien talk is this?

Being British (of Irish origin): one 'other' I'm delighted to be. Crazy timings and all.

Except when it comes to having to ahem all my TV. Or missing macaroni and cheese. Or decent mashed potatoes. Or waffles with really good syrup. Or... OK, I'm moving back to New York.

Just about every alien I've ever seen in SciFi movies, books, etc. still seems on some level (if not many levels) to be human to me.

Some shows/films/novels do better than others. Trek being among the worst, I reckon. But if we can't begin to comprehend the truly alien, as Shir points out, then should we just give up on sci-fi altogether? Is it a pointless genre?

Edit:

Oh, let's do so.

Then we shall!

But first, bedtime here.


Vortex - Sep 16, 2009 12:10:40 pm PDT #23400 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Well, the aliens are often bipeds, with two limbs that serve the same purpose as arms. Vital organs (heart, eyes, brain) seem to be located in the general vicinity of human counterparts.


Dana - Sep 16, 2009 12:11:30 pm PDT #23401 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Except when it comes to having to ahem all my TV.

There's plenty of British TV I have to ahem. I'd love it if I could find episodes of Ready Steady Cook.


StuntHusband - Sep 16, 2009 12:11:57 pm PDT #23402 of 30000
Electromagnetic candy! - Stark

The Star Trek episode "Devil in the Dark" was also pretty good about making an alien actually alien. There are a few episodes where they do that, I think, although most of them are very human or near-human in their "alienness."

Yeah - so much so that it's written into canon that 99% of the aliens in Trek are offshoots of "The Progenitors", who seeded the galaxy with almost-copies of themselves.

Even the horta from "Devil in the Dark" turned into just another member of the Federation; "Ensign Rock" shows up in 2 (non-canon) Trek novels from the 80s, as a Starfleet Academy trainee.

Whee.


tommyrot - Sep 16, 2009 12:12:04 pm PDT #23403 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

One of the things I liked about Farscape was that the aliens were pretty alien. They didn't all have the same culture and perceive people and the world the same way.

Yeah, but humans don't all have the same culture or perceive the world the same way.

I dunno - I don't think Farscape is much different from other popular SciFi shows in this way. D'Argo to me seems similar to Worf, and as members of "warrior races" they really don't seem much different from, say, Vikings....

Of course, I've only gotten as far as season 2 in Farscape....

Perhaps I should run away now....