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Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Fay - Jul 05, 2009 8:38:01 pm PDT #27508 of 30000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Interesting article on Chow.com, crazy crazy person. I found myself reading with a kind of carcrash fascination for a while, until somebody replied to RantyMcRantypants thus:

O.k. so having ben someone who has worked both front and back of the house I am very disturbed by the comments made by old springsy here. Obviously you are either black or you order a steak well done and ask for ketchup...

...and nobody else who was commenting seemed to be thrown by this? WTF?

wrt the whole tipping thing - I gather waiters get less than $3.00 an hour in the US? (A quick Google implies it's around $9.00 an hour in the UK.) And, yeah, I totally grok why people DO do the big tipping thing - but, seriously, isn't there any way that people can change this bullshit slave labour rule, and make the employers PAY THE WAITERS A LIVING WAGE? Like they do elsewhere on the planet? I mean - it just seems so weird to me, that there's this whole huge service industry where people basically don't get paid by their employers, and everyone colludes with this, and just sucks it up and makes up for it with tips. Why doesn't anyone change the legislation to make it into a normal job with a living wage?


javachik - Jul 05, 2009 8:39:01 pm PDT #27509 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Because, Fay, that's dangerously close to being logical.


bon bon - Jul 05, 2009 8:44:55 pm PDT #27510 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

There are restaurants with flat service charges -- Per Se is one example -- but I think the supply of waiters and waitresses indicates that the market is working fine. I mean, slave labor is a bit hyperbolic.

eta: an article regarding how some servers prefer a tipping system. [link] One thing the article fails to mention is that if servers underreport tips to the IRS, that income is tax-free.


javachik - Jul 05, 2009 8:54:31 pm PDT #27511 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

but I think the supply of waiters and waitresses indicates that the market is working fine.

I'm not sure that's the best way of measuring a market's success. A lot of people work in desperate situations for crappy pay; it doesn't exactly mean everything's fine.


bon bon - Jul 05, 2009 9:01:19 pm PDT #27512 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I'm not sure that's the best way of measuring a market's success.

Well what would be? People choose to work as waiters, no one is being forced into it. That indicates that pay is adequate to ensure a supply of people willing to work under those conditions. They may want to be paid more, we all do. But they accept less.


erikaj - Jul 05, 2009 9:02:11 pm PDT #27513 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, if you just see everyone as cogs, great. Stringer Bell read Adam Smith, too, right?(Guess who I think the bigger gangster is...dude, that was in there, the whole time and I just got it...kudos, Mr. Simon, you angry liberal motherfucker.)


javachik - Jul 05, 2009 9:03:51 pm PDT #27514 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

ETA: [to bon]

I think we have a different opinion on what "success" is.


erikaj - Jul 05, 2009 9:06:36 pm PDT #27515 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

The economic definition is often not the popular-type one...one of the reasons I struggled hard with econ. Well, that and the charts. I suck at charts.


bon bon - Jul 05, 2009 9:10:15 pm PDT #27516 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I think we have a different opinion on what "success" is.

Well what would make a successful labor market for waiters, then?


Trudy Booth - Jul 05, 2009 9:10:37 pm PDT #27517 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Well what would be? People choose to work as waiters, no one is being forced into it. That indicates that pay is adequate to ensure a supply of people willing to work under those conditions. They may want to be paid more, we all do. But they accept less.

Well sure, Mr. Carnegie, but one of them tunnels is like to cave in and KILL somebody we keep on borin' that fast...