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Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


javachik - Jul 05, 2009 8:54:31 pm PDT #27511 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

but I think the supply of waiters and waitresses indicates that the market is working fine.

I'm not sure that's the best way of measuring a market's success. A lot of people work in desperate situations for crappy pay; it doesn't exactly mean everything's fine.


bon bon - Jul 05, 2009 9:01:19 pm PDT #27512 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I'm not sure that's the best way of measuring a market's success.

Well what would be? People choose to work as waiters, no one is being forced into it. That indicates that pay is adequate to ensure a supply of people willing to work under those conditions. They may want to be paid more, we all do. But they accept less.


erikaj - Jul 05, 2009 9:02:11 pm PDT #27513 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, if you just see everyone as cogs, great. Stringer Bell read Adam Smith, too, right?(Guess who I think the bigger gangster is...dude, that was in there, the whole time and I just got it...kudos, Mr. Simon, you angry liberal motherfucker.)


javachik - Jul 05, 2009 9:03:51 pm PDT #27514 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

ETA: [to bon]

I think we have a different opinion on what "success" is.


erikaj - Jul 05, 2009 9:06:36 pm PDT #27515 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

The economic definition is often not the popular-type one...one of the reasons I struggled hard with econ. Well, that and the charts. I suck at charts.


bon bon - Jul 05, 2009 9:10:15 pm PDT #27516 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I think we have a different opinion on what "success" is.

Well what would make a successful labor market for waiters, then?


Trudy Booth - Jul 05, 2009 9:10:37 pm PDT #27517 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Well what would be? People choose to work as waiters, no one is being forced into it. That indicates that pay is adequate to ensure a supply of people willing to work under those conditions. They may want to be paid more, we all do. But they accept less.

Well sure, Mr. Carnegie, but one of them tunnels is like to cave in and KILL somebody we keep on borin' that fast...


javachik - Jul 05, 2009 9:15:21 pm PDT #27518 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Well what would make a successful labor market for waiters, then?

One in which their wage is not dependent on the whims of the people they break their backs to serve.


juliana - Jul 05, 2009 9:15:48 pm PDT #27519 of 30000
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

People choose to work as waiters, no one is being forced into it. That indicates that pay is adequate to ensure a supply of people willing to work under those conditions. They may want to be paid more, we all do. But they accept less.

Um. I didn't get forced into it at gunpoint, it's true, but I sure as hell wouldn't be slinging pasta for tips if I could find a job that would a) give me health care and b) existed.

Well what would make a successful labor market for waiters, then?

Consistent pay, health care, lack of turnover....


Trudy Booth - Jul 05, 2009 9:16:29 pm PDT #27520 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Health insurance would be nice too since its employer-based in this country.