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I think we have a different opinion on what "success" is.
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Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam
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javachik - Jul 05, 2009 9:03:51 pm PDT #27514 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.
erikaj - Jul 05, 2009 9:06:36 pm PDT #27515 of 30000
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The economic definition is often not the popular-type one...one of the reasons I struggled hard with econ. Well, that and the charts. I suck at charts.
bon bon - Jul 05, 2009 9:10:15 pm PDT #27516 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
I think we have a different opinion on what "success" is.
Well what would make a successful labor market for waiters, then?
Trudy Booth - Jul 05, 2009 9:10:37 pm PDT #27517 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Well what would be? People choose to work as waiters, no one is being forced into it. That indicates that pay is adequate to ensure a supply of people willing to work under those conditions. They may want to be paid more, we all do. But they accept less.
Well sure, Mr. Carnegie, but one of them tunnels is like to cave in and KILL somebody we keep on borin' that fast...
javachik - Jul 05, 2009 9:15:21 pm PDT #27518 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.
Well what would make a successful labor market for waiters, then?
One in which their wage is not dependent on the whims of the people they break their backs to serve.
juliana - Jul 05, 2009 9:15:48 pm PDT #27519 of 30000
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…
People choose to work as waiters, no one is being forced into it. That indicates that pay is adequate to ensure a supply of people willing to work under those conditions. They may want to be paid more, we all do. But they accept less.
Um. I didn't get forced into it at gunpoint, it's true, but I sure as hell wouldn't be slinging pasta for tips if I could find a job that would a) give me health care and b) existed.
Well what would make a successful labor market for waiters, then?
Consistent pay, health care, lack of turnover....
Trudy Booth - Jul 05, 2009 9:16:29 pm PDT #27520 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Health insurance would be nice too since its employer-based in this country.
erikaj - Jul 05, 2009 9:20:43 pm PDT #27521 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!
Dr. Krugman says that would be the best way to get(and keep) our economy on track. He used a lot more words than that.
bon bon - Jul 05, 2009 9:25:45 pm PDT #27522 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
One in which their wage is not dependent on the whims of the people they break their backs to serve.
Consistent pay, health care, lack of turnover....
But then isn't this true of all jobs? Restricting the example to at-will jobs, couldn't I just say that the job market for lawyers needs statutory or political intervention because the health care is expensive and sucks, the hours are long and inconsistent, 98% of associates leave in four years, pay is partly dependent on the whims of partners, and qualifying for the job costs $100K+?
javachik - Jul 05, 2009 9:34:28 pm PDT #27523 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.
Here's the thing: servers work for the restaurants. They do NOT work for the patrons. Patrons should NOT be directly responsible for the livelihood of the servers. It's the restaurant's responsibility to properly pay ALL staff. Why are food servers different than someone who sells clothing? We don't tip the person who folds the sweaters at the Gap and who helps us figure out sizes and rings us up. There might be a commission structure, sure, but it's invisible to the patron.
And why in the hell should a server's wage be paid by a patron, on the basis of how much that patron consumes? It's ridiculous. The server who gets a budget-minded couple is going to take home less of a tip (despite the percentage, if the couple is on a budget, the food cost will be less, thus a lesser tip) than the server who gets lucky and serves a couple who can spend more. It's a completely ludicrous set-up.