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Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kathy A - Jun 11, 2009 5:59:51 pm PDT #23873 of 30000
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Obama's people never seem to miss an opportunity. You can sign a virtual cast of support for Judge Sotomayor at their website.


erikaj - Jun 11, 2009 7:13:06 pm PDT #23874 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

So, does that mean that Ms. bono thought she was a gay woman and she isn't, or is that the dumbest question ever asked?


Kat - Jun 11, 2009 7:28:40 pm PDT #23875 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Just watching Glee on Hulu. Does anyone else think that the teacher looks a lot like ita's friend Colin?


meara - Jun 11, 2009 7:32:50 pm PDT #23876 of 30000

Er, I'm not sure I understand what you mean, erika?

t eta: just like coming out as gay, it's often a complicated process for some people. Becuase being trans is even less accepted in our society than being gay, it's even MORE complicated and fraught, for many people. And, just like being gay, for some people it's very clear at a very young age, and something they just can't fight against, and for other people it takes time and acceptance for themselves, or may be something they've known for a long time, but just not fully explained to friends/family/the bigger world. There are degrees of "outness" for transpeople, too, and degrees of what you can do to "be" trans--whether you go for hormones, surgery, etc.


erikaj - Jun 11, 2009 7:48:00 pm PDT #23877 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, okay, maybe I don't either. (Obviously, more than the mean pinheads pretending they were hoping to find economic news on TMZ, but that's another topic.) So, she still likes girls, but she doesn't feel like he is one,right?(Sorry to say it in such dumb terms, but it probably is a relatively dumb question. I guess I don't get how one...crosses the line or whatever from "like a guy"(maybe) to thinking that one might actually *be* a guy. But I guess I'm fortunate to never know that particular confusion...I imagine it's not easy, to put it mildly. And I have used a ton of words to say: Transexuals...huh. I don't get it. And you are probably thinking "Nobody asked you, dumbass." and wondering how deep the brain damage really goes. ETA: And I took so long to type I missed Meara's thought...it really scares some people to think that something like gender ID or even orientation could be so mutable, huh?


Burrell - Jun 11, 2009 7:56:22 pm PDT #23878 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I dunno erika. I've asked the same questions. In my head, being a man in a woman's body is a very different thing than being a lesbian, but I don't know how that would translate to another person's experience of the two.

Does anyone else think that the teacher looks a lot like ita's friend Colin?

Yes.


meara - Jun 11, 2009 8:01:30 pm PDT #23879 of 30000

Well, I mean...as you're saying, as a "man in a woman's body"...you're still liking who you like. It's about who YOU are, not who you like.

(Though, even that has been known to change, sometimes, given that it's a big life change, and when you add testosterone, which is a HUGE hormone change....but....)


DavidS - Jun 11, 2009 8:05:21 pm PDT #23880 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think for a lot of people, erika, it takes some work to understand that sexuality and gender identity are separate. But when you think of it as: this is who I'm attracted to, and this is how I feel in my body it's a little easier to get.

People that have gender dysphoria don't feel right with their biological package of sex organs. You may have issues with your body but you're fine with having girly bits.

At some point (I think) it's difficult to describe it all as a series of binary choices. It's not nearly as simple as Chastity was a lesbian and now wants to be a man. Both sexuality and gender identity can be kind of fluid and evolving anyway.


meara - Jun 11, 2009 8:13:01 pm PDT #23881 of 30000

Heh. And it's kinda hard for me to explain cause it all seems so normal to me--those are the people I date, for whom gender identity tends to be kind of a grey line anyway. :)

The speech I sorta ended up giving a friend when she asked about why the hell a girl she knew identified as a "queer femme" rather than as a "lesbian", and so on:

A lot of my friends are people who....well, they straddle a lot of gender lines. They're not really "she" but they're not really "he" either. Sure, they might've been born female, but now they use gender neutral names, avoid pronouns, may have had their breasts removed (or just strap them down a lot, or may just not have hardly any tits to start with). Some may have taken testosterone, or they may just look pretty slim and guyish to start with. They get mistaken for guys a heck of a lot. Mostly teenage guys. Some identify as trans. Some don't like to ID. Some date women. Some date other trans guys. Some date gay men. Some date men who identify as "queer". Most of them choose to identify as "queer". Me, I look like a girl, and no one thinks I'm a guy, but...these are my people. And this is why I don't, at the heart of it, identify as a "lesbian", but rather as "queer".


erikaj - Jun 11, 2009 8:18:25 pm PDT #23882 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah, I think everything is where it should be. It's just wired like a Fiat. That's probably true, Hec.(I over-simplified a bunch, but I hope it's clear that I'm not trying to drink the haterade or anything...whatever he needs to do to feel okay is probably fine with me.) It's just that, contrary to what the sitcoms show, I didn't have anyone to ask about this in my graduating class.