Aren't they something. They're like butterflies, or little pieces of wrapping paper blowing around.

Kaylee ,'Shindig'


Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Barb - Apr 09, 2009 5:39:45 pm PDT #14653 of 30000
“Not dead yet!”

Buffy's having a baby!

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DavidS - Apr 09, 2009 5:42:21 pm PDT #14654 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I guess the question is how much of a cold blooded killer you can be, how indifferent to the lives of innocents, and still be considered Byronic. As far as I know the squickiest thing Byron did was to fuck his half sister. His violence was mostly in good causes against opressors. So, are the Crips and the Bloods Byronic?

That's really not the point. "Romantic" is not a synonym for virtue. Just as "cool" can mean a lot of things which are not admirable, "romantic" is not something limited to the positive side of things. It has to do with danger, and emotion, defiance and sensuality.

Pirates are romantic. They're almost the definition of it. That doesn't mean they're virtuous or admirable.


Lee - Apr 09, 2009 5:48:52 pm PDT #14655 of 30000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I think we were supposed to see that, Perkins, and be a little wigged by it.

Yeah, I got that feeling too. Poor Reid. Dawson messed him up but good.


meara - Apr 09, 2009 5:54:34 pm PDT #14656 of 30000

I'm bored. And lazy. I want someone to bring me cake. And also go out to dinner with me. ...I realize these are slightly contradictory. If someone agreed to go to dinner with me, I would probably have enough oomph to go GET cake. Cupcake. Something.

...hrmph.

Tomorrow I am having lunch with an ex-boss to talk about the possibility of her new company having an opening in a few months. What do I wear? What do I bring? Eep! I'm thinking nice but not really businessy, since I work from home, but she's fairly stylish. But it will be a (casual) Friday. I don't plan to bring my resume (I've only had the one job since I worked for her) but have it ready to send after.


msbelle - Apr 09, 2009 6:07:42 pm PDT #14657 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

yeah, I don't get danger from romantic/Romantic - adventure, sure, freedom, sure, passion, sure. None of that has to mean danger or violence or badness - not to me.


Kat - Apr 09, 2009 6:13:23 pm PDT #14658 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

And, according to Wordnik:

Some things Romance means

4. A mysterious or fascinating quality or appeal, as of something adventurous, heroic, or strangely beautiful:
6. A long fictitious tale of heroes and extraordinary or mysterious events, usually set in a distant time or place.

Neither of those really apply to pirates. The rest deal with sexual love or romance langauge.


Trudy Booth - Apr 09, 2009 6:41:10 pm PDT #14659 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

4. A mysterious or fascinating quality or appeal, as of something adventurous, heroic, or strangely beautiful

Well, Pirates are certainly adventurous.

As far as Pirate Utopias... the Antebellum South was a bit of a Utopia too -- it certainly is to the people who think it will rise again. Sparta was great as long as you were strong. Athens was great if you weren't a woman. As soon as we can concoct a paradise that isn't dependant on the exploitation on a chunk of humans I'll feel comfortable calling it a utopia.

When I was a kid I lived on an island with a pirate history. All the teams were pirates. The annual festival had pirate costume contests. It was deffinately a "thing".

But hand in hand with all the fun there was frequent mention of, "You know these weren't great guys, right? They were murderers. They were thieves. This is a game." I don't really see that in the pirate glee nowadays.


Kat - Apr 09, 2009 6:56:41 pm PDT #14660 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

ita, so very you even if it isn't silver!

Or this one.


Trudy Booth - Apr 09, 2009 6:59:13 pm PDT #14661 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

What the fuck with Hotmail wanting me to get a windows LIVE id to get to my fucking mail and then not letting me get one?

I just want to check my fucking mail. I was able to an hour ago. Fuckers.


DavidS - Apr 09, 2009 7:00:03 pm PDT #14662 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And, according to Wordnik:

It has to do with a literary tradition derived from Medieval Romances. To cite a dictionary in this instance is like saying the Ramones aren't punk rock because Merriam-Webster said the Sex Pistols are punk rock. You're cherry picking one of many meanings and missing the entire history.

To argue that pirates are not romantic figures is so far from my frame of reference that I don't even have the energy to connect the dots from Amadis of Gaul to Orlando Furioso to Dafoe to Byron to Robert Louis Stevenson to Sabatini to the Dread Pirate Roberts.