The American wing of New Wave was generally the poppier/dancier end of the CBGBs bands (specifically Talking Heads and Blondie, but not just). Then there were folks like Patti Smith and Television who weren't really Punk or only occasinally Punk sound-wise, but not really New Wave either.

There were bands doing similar things popping up around the country at that time as well (The Cars out of Boston, for instance).

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Then there were folks like Patti Smith and Television who weren't really Punk or only occasinally Punk sound-wise

Maybe looking through today's narrow-vision punk glasses they weren't, but at the time? Definitely Punk!

Maybe looking through today's narrow-vision punk glasses they weren't, but at the time? Definitely Punk!

As Verlaine himself said, "In the beginning of Punk every band was it's own strange little idea."

The idea that punk could be something homogenous or defined by The Ramones would've seemed ridiculous.

Someone once told me he considered Punk to consist of the Sex Pistols and other British bands involved in the UK punk scene in '76 and '77. And that was it.

Someone once told me he considered Punk to consist of the Sex Pistols and other British bands involved in the UK punk scene in '76 and '77. And that was it.

They're stupid and wrong. Any definition of Punk that doesn't include The Ramones is worthless. Any definition that would exclude Richard Hell and the Voidoids is worthless.

Someone once told me he considered Punk to consist of the Sex Pistols and other British bands involved in the UK punk scene in '76 and '77. And that was it.

That's pretty much exactly where I go when I think of punk.

That's pretty much exactly where I go when I think of punk.

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