I hope you don't think that I just come over for the spells and everything. I mean, I really like just talking and hanging out with you and stuff.

Willow ,'First Date'


Buffista Music 4: Needs More Cowbell!

There's a lady plays her fav'rite records/On the jukebox ev'ry day/All day long she plays the same old songs/And she believes the things that they say/She sings along with all the saddest songs/And she believes the stories are real/She lets the music dictate the way that she feels.


sj - Mar 19, 2011 6:34:21 pm PDT #4242 of 6436
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Amanda Palmer IMHO engaged in some massive disability fail that put me off her completely. Mostly her refusal to hear people's cogent arguments and recognize her fail.

I'm sorry to hear that. I've recently become a fan of her music.


DavidS - Mar 19, 2011 6:38:09 pm PDT #4243 of 6436
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Amanda Palmer IMHO engaged in some massive disability fail that put me off her completely. Mostly her refusal to hear people's cogent arguments and recognize her fail.

I wasn't sure what your objection was. Was that the Evelyn Evelyn project?

I'm really not sure how to parse the disability issues in the long history of marginalized "freak show" culture and representation which has been dealt with in everything from Tod Browning's movie Freaks to Angela Carter's Nights at the Circus to Katherine Dunn's Geek Love.

Though ultimately it tends to come down to nobody wanting to be used as somebody else's metaphor.


DavidS - Mar 19, 2011 6:48:25 pm PDT #4244 of 6436
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm sorry to hear that. I've recently become a fan of her music.

sj, here's a precis of the controversy.


sj - Mar 19, 2011 6:57:11 pm PDT #4245 of 6436
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Thanks for the link, Hec. I just did some googling of my own, and I'm not sure how I feel about the whole thing. ETA: Actually I think it doesn't bother me that much but that maybe it should.


DavidS - Mar 19, 2011 7:03:06 pm PDT #4246 of 6436
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

and I'm not sure how I feel about the whole thing.

I don't either exactly. I get the objection. But I'm not quite ready to toss out Richard II or The Heart is a Lonely Hunter out and they both use disability as metaphor. As does...King Lear (blindness, insanity), The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Moby Dick (Ahab's lost limb), and on and on.

It is a deeply ingrained part of Western culture to use disability as a metaphor for otherness or estrangement or emotional damage or whatever. An attempt to physicalize interior states.


sj - Mar 19, 2011 7:17:41 pm PDT #4247 of 6436
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I mostly get annoyed with classic literature's often use of disability to equal either evil or sainthood, with nothing in between those two options.


Dana - Mar 19, 2011 7:22:06 pm PDT #4248 of 6436
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Also, one would hope that we've evolved in our attitude towards disability since Shakespeare's time.


sj - Mar 19, 2011 7:25:13 pm PDT #4249 of 6436
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Having not heard the music on the Evelyn Evelyn CD, it's hard for me to judge, but mostly I don't have a problem with someone taking on a persona of someone with a disability to tell a story they want to tell. After all, most of the major characters I can think of that have disabilities on TV are not played by disabled actors.


DavidS - Mar 19, 2011 7:36:22 pm PDT #4250 of 6436
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I mostly get annoyed with classic literature's often use of disability to equal either evil or sainthood, with nothing in between those two options.

I mostly see it used as an expression of alienation. People feel freaky, or out of place in their culture and reach for a freak show example to express their emotional state. Similarly Bowie uses a literal alien for his sense of alienation, or space travel to evoke his emotional distance.

Also, one would hope that we've evolved in our attitude towards disability since Shakespeare's time.

I don't know if I really trust that idea of moral evolution. Every age is a prisoner of its own preconceptions. We're not the apex of human development. Though sticking narrowly to your point, yes, we do view disability differently than it was seen in Renaissance England.


sj - Mar 19, 2011 7:40:08 pm PDT #4251 of 6436
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I mostly see it used as an expression of alienation. People feel freaky, or out of place in their culture and reach for a freak show example to express their emotional state. Similarly Bowie uses a literal alien for his sense of alienation, or space travel to evoke his emotional distance.

Whatever the purpose of it, it feeds stereotypes and still affects the way disabled people are treated today.