Speaking of 120 Minutes, doesn't it seem like there was more space in the culture for strange dangerous women in the 90s? Tori Amos, PJ Harvey, Björk & Massive Attack Mashup
Thanks god for Amanda Palmer.
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There's a lady plays her fav'rite records/On the jukebox ev'ry day/All day long she plays the same old songs/And she believes the things that they say/She sings along with all the saddest songs/And she believes the stories are real/She lets the music dictate the way that she feels.
DavidS - Mar 19, 2011 1:26:02 pm PDT #4234 of 6436
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Dana - Mar 19, 2011 1:31:09 pm PDT #4235 of 6436
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
I have that mashup on my iPod. It's pretty great.
bon bon - Mar 19, 2011 2:23:36 pm PDT #4236 of 6436
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
doesn't it seem like there was more space in the culture for strange dangerous women in the 90s?
You mean like Lady Gaga, Nicki Minaj, La Roux, Robyn, Florence and the Machine, Beth Ditto, Janelle Monae...?
smonster - Mar 19, 2011 3:18:20 pm PDT #4237 of 6436
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
Thanks god for Amanda Palmer.
Um.
bon bon, if I could "like" your previous post I totally would. Also, PJ and Tori are not dead and are still making music, AFAIK.
DavidS - Mar 19, 2011 4:50:44 pm PDT #4238 of 6436
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Um.
"Um," what?
You mean like Lady Gaga, Nicki Minaj, La Roux, Robyn, Florence and the Machine, Beth Ditto, Janelle Monae...?
Fair point, especially Gaga who is dominating the center of the pop world right now.
Also, PJ and Tori are not dead and are still making music, AFAIK.
Bjork, too, but my point wasn't that they were gone. Just that the culture has changed. bon's rebuts my point, though I don't think most of the women she lists have the stature (in the sense of a sustained career of challenging and successful work) that my earlier triad have (and had at that time). Anyway, it's a subjective call and I may simply be nostalgic for the 90s.
bon bon - Mar 19, 2011 5:56:44 pm PDT #4239 of 6436
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
It's easy to look at careers of women who were active fifteen years ago and say they're more long-lived than musicians who started recently. But gaga and Minaj especially aren't going anywhere.
smonster - Mar 19, 2011 6:21:32 pm PDT #4240 of 6436
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
Amanda Palmer IMHO engaged in some massive disability fail that put me off her completely. Mostly her refusal to hear people's cogent arguments and recognize her fail.
DavidS - Mar 19, 2011 6:28:59 pm PDT #4241 of 6436
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
It's easy to look at careers of women who were active fifteen years ago and say they're more long-lived than musicians who started recently.
I did say they had achieved more at that point in their careers than the women you listed. But I haven't really gotten out my protractor and charted out their hits/best work relative to their age.
But gaga and Minaj especially aren't going anywhere.
Right, and both of them are still fairly young and in their prime. But while Minaj has had a lot of hit singles and been putting out music since about 2007, her debut album just came out last year. So she's still at the beginning of her career.
I don't know - it's hard to say in a musical world that's singles dominated. But hit singles have always been more ephemeral than albums. A lot of different singers have had short periods of chart dominance and then faded.
At one point it would've been smart money to bet on Lauryn Hill and Karen O.
sj - Mar 19, 2011 6:34:21 pm PDT #4242 of 6436
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
Amanda Palmer IMHO engaged in some massive disability fail that put me off her completely. Mostly her refusal to hear people's cogent arguments and recognize her fail.
I'm sorry to hear that. I've recently become a fan of her music.
DavidS - Mar 19, 2011 6:38:09 pm PDT #4243 of 6436
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Amanda Palmer IMHO engaged in some massive disability fail that put me off her completely. Mostly her refusal to hear people's cogent arguments and recognize her fail.
I wasn't sure what your objection was. Was that the Evelyn Evelyn project?
I'm really not sure how to parse the disability issues in the long history of marginalized "freak show" culture and representation which has been dealt with in everything from Tod Browning's movie Freaks to Angela Carter's Nights at the Circus to Katherine Dunn's Geek Love.
Though ultimately it tends to come down to nobody wanting to be used as somebody else's metaphor.