But, I guess, it's the "normals".

I think that's it -- for all its genre characteristics, it's got a mainstream audience.

My guide is always whether my parents have heard of it. They not only know about Lost, they watched for a few seasons. Supernatural they never would have heard of but for me (or Angel, or Fringe, or ...)

"Look at him. That's my brother, goddammit."

LOVE that line in Backdraft. Funny, when I watched that movie recently, I was hoping to see something along those lines for Sam and Dean.

And on that note, I'm convinced Sam isn't Lucifer simply because of all the deal-making that went on between Bobby, Boys and Crowley, Dean and Death, Sam and Lucifer (if Sam could fight Lucifer from within). Of course, this doesn't mean that Michael didn't dump Adam's meatsuit for Sam's in the pit.

I honestly think if there were another episode scheduled for next week, rather than the hellatus of unknown length, it might not seem so disquieting.

Yes, a lot of things weren't explored fully, but I just wonder how much time in 22 episodes they could have really crammed such detail with all these moving parts and characters.

I think the lack of character development for Michael may have been deliberate. We do know he was arrogant, dismissive, dogmatic, and conniving. He didn't care about humans anymore than Lucifer did. His only mission was to be a good son - one dimensional. And I believe this is why Dean rejected Michael, because when it came to their respective brothers, Dean knows Sam better than Michael knows Lucifer, and Dean and Sam understand that real love has to include forgiveness. Michael and Lucifer don't have a clue about that.

Part of me wonders, if we had a full season in S3, what S5 would have been like. Obviously, Kripke had to change gears and juggle other outcomes.

I can't say I'm surprised by the finale. I did expect sadness and sacrifice, and with renewal for a 6th season, a cliffhanger. I will be disappointed, however, if I'm wrong about Lucifer wearing Sam at the end. Sam did achieve his goal of redemption. I really don't want to go into S6 with Evil!Sam. (Although I'm sure JP would love to sink his teeth into that.)

Also? Somewhere in Dallas, Mazeltov, Jensen and Danneel.

Absolutely! Mazel tov and blessings for a long and happy life together, Jensen and Danneel!

But, I guess, it's the "normals".

Thanks for that. It didn't really clear up anything for me but it did make me laugh because it's true.

Aldis is almost too good to be true. Have you seen his art? It's really very good. And he makes violins and he want's to write a screenplay over the Summer.

Leverage seems very con-able. Justified not as much. White collar has actors that would do it but I don't know if they have the following that is needed.

Ahem. Speaking of weddings. Click at your own risk.

Mazel tov and blessings of joy and happiness to Danneel and Jensen.

I kind of felt that Backdraft moment from Dean when he was watching Sam take Lucifers body.

Bev, I did say that I wanted to see a wedding dress so---be careful what I wish for.

I think hunger on the part of a show's writers and cast plays a big part in whether they're open to diving into the convention experience and really stirring up a dedicated following through interaction. Lost didn't really need the die-hard genre fans, they already had 15 million viewers every week.

That's an interesting point. Writers and cast have a vested interest in generating a dedicated following for on the bubble shows.

I think too, there is precedent with the Supernatural fandom to find reasons to come together. There's a (seemingly women-centered) social aspect that seems to permeate this particular fandom that I haven't noticed in other conventions I've been aware of. I could be speaking out my ass though since I have zero con experience and therefore know not what I'm saying really.

Leverage seems very con-able.

I can't help finding it curious that there are multiple Supernatural links both personal and professional. I wonder if that contributes to it's con-able nature. It's not the type of show I would have expected a con to arise from.

Forgive the slightly off topic querying. For some reason Asylum4 pinged my curiosity.

I'm sure Lost generates tons of attention at Comic Con and the like, but you're already selecting for the fannish there, so it doesn't quite count.

I wonder what the largest viewership shows with conventions while they're actually airing would be? And TNG and the like wouldn't count, since the conventions predated that incarnation.

It all comes back down to what defines fannish, and who's ever answered that question?

I would guess either Buffy or Supernatural, but I actually have no idea or data.

I would like to go to a con as, like, a fly on the wall. That's about it. Or something like ComicCon would be fun maybe.