Early: So is it still her room when it's empty? Does the room, the thing, have purpose? Or do we -- what's the word? Simon: I really can't help you. Early: The plan is to take your sister. Get the reward, which is substantial. 'Imbue.' That's the word.

'Objects In Space'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - May 10, 2010 11:29:47 am PDT #8637 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if you're talking about Crowley dying by a mortal's hand, then you're right. That's how attempts to break crossroads deals usually go, by killing the demon who holds the contract.

That's what I meant. If a human killing Crowley voided the deal, taking the soul by contract (as opposed to taking it and hiding it somewhere) wouldn't be any insurance at all.

Sam assumed that, but I don't think it's accurate.

Show didn't do anything to contradict that--didn't the demons he tried to kill to void it just tell him that they didn't hold the contract?

I'm willing to accept the idea that Bobby still has his soul and Crowley just has the title, but it's messy writing, including the unchallenged assumption that killing him would actually fix everything. I mean, Sam still thinks that, no? I don't have the episode to hand, so I can't say exactly what Crowley said when explained his insurance policy.


Cass - May 10, 2010 12:16:16 pm PDT #8638 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

See, now I'm picturing a crossover where Sam and Dean hire Team Leverage and things kick off with Nate saying, "Let's go steal a soul."

Want!


§ ita § - May 10, 2010 12:22:46 pm PDT #8639 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I did bump into a Leverage/SPN crossover where Sterling was possessed by Crowley, but sadly it was really badly written. I liked the conceit, though.


Cass - May 10, 2010 12:38:16 pm PDT #8640 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Ooh, I love that conceit. Not worth reading if it was poorly done, but maybe it'll lead to another, better, story.

Canadian Actor Bongo does lead to some interesting dilemmas in crossovers.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 10, 2010 12:55:36 pm PDT #8641 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I vaguely recall someone promising that both Dean and Sam would end up safely in Heaven after the big showdown, so if that can be trusted saying yes to possession by Lucifer might not mean anything negative for Sam's soul (given he's doing it for noble reasons). Assuming that Michael wins and he gets vaporized along with Lucifer, anyway.

It just occurred to me that even if their plan to re-cage Lucifer somehow succeeds, it's not necessarily all wrapped up in a bow. Michael still wants the big predestined confrontation too, and would still be in charge of the heavenly forces and free to start everything rolling toward that same conclusion all over again.


Morgana - May 10, 2010 1:01:40 pm PDT #8642 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

saying yes to possession by Lucifer might not mean anything negative for Sam's soul (given he's doing it for noble reasons)

It does seem to be the equivalent of a soldier throwing himself on top of a grenade to save the guys around him, doesn't it?

As for the Michael issue, unless they (Team Free Will, that is) still have one of the angel-killing knives and can use it on whatever vessel is housing Michael, then you're right. He'll still be out there making plans. At which point I guess it's up to the God of this particular universe to finally make an appearance and take a stand.


§ ita § - May 10, 2010 1:37:06 pm PDT #8643 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So you think Michael would free Lucifer or work against caging him just so he can have the big fight?

The angels did have to take mostly a back seat and let demons and humans set him free the first time--what would it take to get him out again?


Juliebird - May 10, 2010 1:41:28 pm PDT #8644 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

On that note, would the seals be reset? Would it be automatic, would season 6 be the brothers traveling the world and creating new seals?


§ ita § - May 10, 2010 1:46:49 pm PDT #8645 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There were three hundred odd seals, right, of which 66 had to be broken? Maybe they'll just break the next 66, and then the next, until they run out of seals.

Or, please, let's be done with Lucifer as of this week. Only the first 66 seals count. One time dealio only.

Which randomly reminds me--is John the only person we've heard call Dean Deano? When did he do that? Or am I getting fanon confused again?


Juliebird - May 10, 2010 1:51:12 pm PDT #8646 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Doesn't Demian call him Dashing El Deano over on the TWoP recaps?

Hmm, don't recall on the surplus of seals. But that sounds like a plan, just use the leftovers, I'm good.