I've been so upset with what they've done with his character (or rather, with what they haven't done with his character) as the show's progressed that I have no faith in their treatment of him any longer.

I have to wonder, do you enjoy watching the show still? And interacting fannishly with it? I know there are people that have dropped SPN and they seem happier not watching than they were watching and talking about a show that upset them.

I haven't made an episode spreadsheet since mid-Angel. ::sigh::

I haven't been this invested since then. It is scary.

For some reason I seem to place the first identification of the hole as In My Time of Dying, but reading the transcript doesn't support that. So I'm going to have to go with Croatoan, as the first time, I think.

Oh yes, at least since Croatoan. That's the first time that I remember thinking that he might not be able to go on.

Like he's become Awesome Mature Thoughtful Sam instead of Angry Young Emo Sam! And there's a logical progression that we've seen!

Yes again. I am very happy (and weirdly proud?) of the man that is Sam. I am a Dean!Girl all the way (and I do mean porn), but I wouldn't be watching this series if it was just the Dean show. It is SHOW and that is made up of an inseparable web of Sam and Dean from their childhood through present day. They are both -- necessary.

If Dean hasn't shown any indication that he can go on without Sam (because, really, even though Michael was supposed to relinquish the meatsuit in working order, he gave up his car, jacket, and gun--not the sign of someone returning to their life), I would be a faithless Dean!Girl if *I* could set Sam aside. Castiel's nice, and all (and by that I certainly mean porn), but he's no replacement, and I look askance at all those who would posit so.

Sam stood by Dean when Cas didn't. I need to catch up on TWOP and see what those same people said about that. Inasmuch as they're allowed to talk about it.

ita, I think you need to share the spreadsheet.

By which I mean grabby hands.

I think you need to share the spreadsheet.

Really, I need to put in writers, at the very least. Maybe also directors.

And resist the urge to make graphs. Oops. Too late.

Gimme a couple days.

Really, I need to put in writers, at the very least. Maybe also directors.

And resist the urge to make graphs. Oops. Too late.

Totally coveting the spreadsheet.

I'm watching Cassie and the Racist truck for the first time in over a year. Which makes me feel even more obsessed because I'm trying to absorb everything that is said about Cassie and Dean.

I wonder if the actress that played Cassie had done a better job, if she was meant to be Lisa.

I personally think the Cassie actress was just so terribly miscast that there was no hope of ever going back to her so they came up with Lisa and dream Carmen. With better casting, I think we'd have seen more of Cassie. Not as a major role, just alluded to when Dean wanted to dream about "Normal."

Do you mean there would have been no Lisa character, and they would have revisited Cassie, Theresa?

My problem with that episode, outside of the actress being not up to the job, was that they simply overplayed the whole thing. They only dated a month! Give me two, at least, and then that argument pre-sex has a little more weight. It was written as if they had dated for a year or something. A month just isn't enough time to be that intimate, at that age, unless they were living together.

I can see Dean rushing into love, because he's so into the moment. So someone it might have taken normal!Dean a few months to fall for, he went precipitously for. Even though he's boff-at-first-sight-cad, I can still buy a special someone, someone he actually went back to, and who gave him a sense of ease, slipping through.

I mean, it's not like he went back to Lisa, until The Kids Are Alright. He just never left.

As for Cassie falling in love with him...did she?

I chalk most, if not all, of the fail to the actress.

In a proper world with an actress with chemistry, I would be 50-50 about Dean going back to her or Lisa in 99 Problems. Because I think Lisa having a child (which I still maintain isn't his) was important to his vision. But in Dream A Little Dream? That could very well have been Cassie at that point, which would have messed up the Lisa return in 99P.