You turned evil a lot faster than I thought you would.

Angel ,'Just Rewards (2)'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Apr 16, 2010 5:07:08 pm PDT #7580 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

have we met Raphael? I thought we had but can't remember what we know about him.

Yes we have. He was, IIRC, the angel that killed Castiel offscreen in Lucifer Rising. And then we get to see him in Free To Be You and Me. They grill him for info about God, but he's not playing.

Uriel wasn't an archangel. Anna was his boss, and she wasn't one either.


Amy - Apr 16, 2010 5:09:38 pm PDT #7581 of 30002
Because books.

This is what Wiki says:

Archangel is a term meaning an angel of high rank. Archangels are found in a number of religious traditions, including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Zoroastrianism and Wicca. Michael is the only archangel named in the Bible as recognized by both Jews and Christians. Gabriel, named in the Holy Bible's New Testament book, Luke, is considered to be an archangel, as are Raphael (mentioned in the Apocrypha Book of Tobit) and Uriel (mentioned in the non-canonical Book of Enoch). The Book of Tobit is included in the Catholic Canon of the Bible, as well as in the Orthodox Septuagint; however, this book is considered apocryphal by many Protestants. The archangels Michael, Gabriel and Raphael are venerated in the Roman Catholic Church with a feast on 29 September. The named Archangels in Islam are Gabriel, Michael, Raphael and Azrael. Other traditions have identified a group of Seven Archangels, the names of which vary, depending on the source. The fallen archangel Lucifer (also known as Satan) was an archangel until he rebelled against God who then had Michael cast him down to Hell from heaven.


Cass - Apr 16, 2010 5:13:47 pm PDT #7582 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

The show's mythology is some odd cut and paste and, "oooh, I think I might have read this on Wikipedia once." I am mostly looking at it as a whole new version of heaven and hell that is using some familiar names.


quester - Apr 16, 2010 5:14:11 pm PDT #7583 of 30002
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Thanks, Amy and ita.


P.M. Marc - Apr 16, 2010 5:30:09 pm PDT #7584 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The show's mythology is some odd cut and paste and, "oooh, I think I might have read this on Wikipedia once." I am mostly looking at it as a whole new version of heaven and hell that is using some familiar names.

I think it's more "Oooh! I might have read this in a comic book once!" but yes, pretty much.


Cass - Apr 16, 2010 5:31:03 pm PDT #7585 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

(I look up comic book lore in Wikipedia.) ((That shit is convoluted.))


Beverly - Apr 16, 2010 5:54:01 pm PDT #7586 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Calli, you might want to FF through much of S3. There are some high spots of brotherly devotion to be sure, but for my money and to my knowlege, S3 was persistently the worst for race and gender issues. It was a shortened season due to the strike, and the first half of it was stylistically jarring, thanks to a failed attempt by the network to bring the look of SPN into line with the rest of its ruthlessly bright-and-shiny-colored shows. The second half was allowed to subside to the more subdued palette. There are classic eps like Mystery Spot, Jus in Belo, A Very SPN Christmas, and The Kids are Alright that pay off in later seasons, though the finale is difficult to get through. You might want to cue up the S4 premiere immediately after, the way I always follow Devil's Trap with IMToD.


§ ita § - Apr 16, 2010 5:59:13 pm PDT #7587 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If I had to cherry-pick S3, I'd probably watch:

  • The Kids Are Alright
  • Bad Day At Black Rock
  • Fresh Blood
  • Dream A Little Dream Of Me
  • Mystery Spot
  • Jus In Bello
  • No Rest For The Wicked

But as a non-committal completist, I'll probably watch the whole thing when I get back there in my rewatch cycle, although I haven't decided if I'm buying that season on DVD yet.


Beverly - Apr 16, 2010 6:02:52 pm PDT #7588 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

That first coda? I'm hearing Richard in Robert Preston's voice as Toddie in Victor/Victoria: There's nothing worse than an old queen with a head cold. It's a great callback, for me anyway. I love Toddie nearly to the point of sainthood.


Theresa - Apr 16, 2010 6:44:03 pm PDT #7589 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

Victor/Victoria has been so far in the past that I can hardly remember. But I do love Robert Preston. Was that a sad movie regarding his character? With hardly any memory of it, I do get an overall sadness when thinking about it and him.

S3 is such a tragedy. You guys are right that the jewels are there, but you have to search through the muck to get at them. You know how some people hate BtVS S6 and S7? Those aren't true torture. I now know true torture. SPN S3 is to me what the sound of a key sliding along the body of a car is for Dean.