I did read in someone's LJ a comparison of both winks and how it was clear that one wink was sexual and the other was "you'll never tap this" but I do think that's going more than a little far with the source material.

Were they saying the wink to Sam was sexual, 'cause no. I didn't get that in any way.

If the wink to Cas was "you'll never tap this" it was the same as guys provoking each other and totally locker room teasing. It was just a provoking wink.

I'll argue that the subtext for both slashes are there all day, but I haven't seen anything that makes either text or any characters aware of the subtext.

I'm still wondering about who the letter was to. The box had to go to Bobby because Bobby actually has an address. But the car? The coat? Bobby? Nah.

He put the letter in the box. eta: OHHH! Do you mean he had it addressed to someone else (like Ben) to be delivered at a later time by Bobby! Cause that would be awesome!!

Were they saying the wink to Sam was sexual, 'cause no. I didn't get that in any way.

Yeah, they were. I can fill in between the lines in general, but to sex up that wink--that's doing serious wish-fulfillment work.

Filling inbetween the lines of Dean and Castiel, on the other hand, was made really damned easy. And sad. That fight in the alley--well, no, the beatdown, was such a heavy betrayal.

He put the letter in the box.

Yes, because it's all got to go somewhere. But to who? Is it going to Bobby, or Sam @ Bobby's house?

I'm not a fan of Wincest and I didn't see it in the context of the show last night. On the other hand Dean/Castiel was pretty loud.

I think, from what I've read and how I saw it, that last night's ep was very fan servicey but in an interesting and not too too way. Because whichever way you bend? That's what you can take out of it 'ship-wise.

He put the letter in the box.

The box had to be mailed somewhere. Really, Bobby is the only one with a concrete address. I don't think he'd send it to one of the random Post Office boxes. The letter was in an envelope and that could be addressed to someone else. eta: okay, what ita said.

Now, sure they may not be able to fall in love properly because of each other (and because where do you find a woman who'll deal with that shit?),

The thought that popped into my head was, someone who likes threesomes.

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Because whichever way you bend? That's what you can take out of it 'ship-wise.

This was my take on it too. I don't lean in any ship direction and I saw them all being serviced. Sometimes I wish show wouldn't do it but then I remind myself they've been clever about it so far. Cleverness buys my forgiveness.

The show was about relationships and family. These men, related or not, are a family.

It's a family despite there not being a woman in site (unless you count Lisa which I don't). An all male family is bound to be erotically co-dependent.

I didn't read anything wincest-y in the staring scene in the beautiful room. My take on it was ita's as well. Dean realized something important while looking at his brother, it registered on his face and then he winked. It was awesome!

I saw them all being serviced

And there's a fic bunny right there ...

Hee! Amy and I share a brain.

An all male family is bound to be erotically co-dependent.

No, it just means they have to order out!

But honestly, why does a family have to have any sort of erotic dependence, whatever the gender makeup is? There are single-parent same gender families that have no erotic component whatsoever.

I could see if the emotional co-dependence made it inevitable, but I do still disagree. I don't think there has to be anything erotic there at all.

I don't lean in any ship direction and I saw them all being serviced.

Well, my Sam/Castiel leanings didn't get any feeding, but last week was good for that.

I don't think there has to be anything erotic there at all.

Yeah, I have to go with Zachariah just being a prick and saying weird, unsettling things to a poor kid who misses his mom and does not know these demanding "brothers" of his at all.

Yet.

It was still funny, though.

I could see if the emotional co-dependence made it inevitable, but I do still disagree. I don't think there has to be anything erotic there at all.

For me it's the pushing, shoving, grabbing, shirt fisting, and lack of personal space(which is necessary for filming) while intensely arguing nose to nose or yelling each other's names. I'm just saying that it is there for those that want to see it. It doesn't have to be acted out or taken out of subtext into text.

I don't lean in any ship direction and I saw them all being serviced.

This was my experience.

Well, my Sam/Castiel leanings didn't get any feeding, but last week was good for that.

I loved when Castiel told his "joke" his lingering look at Sam where he was so pleased with himself and waiting for him to find it funny. It wasn't just Dean that he was smiling at. :) It was funnier in Enochian.