Azazel was working to get Lilith killed and that seal opened from beyond his death. He's very big picture. What the tv trope guys are gonna call a Thanatos Gambit of incredible presumption. But did he plan for a Braeden?
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'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'
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§ ita § - Apr 09, 2010 10:27:04 pm PDT #7129 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Morgana - Apr 09, 2010 10:59:11 pm PDT #7130 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
The show made him look like Dean, talk like Dean, and bond with Dean.
Oh, I agree. It was done deliberately. It was all very cute, and we got to see Dean squirm, and then we got to watch him bond with the child and get all wistful, and we got to go "Awwww!" so I think the writers accomplished what they wanted. And it left a lot of strings to pull later if they wanted to. But the looking and talking like Dean parts can be explained away by Lisa saying she had a type -- presumably she slept with more than one guy with that physical appearance and those traits. By that point I know we'd noticed that Dean dealt especially well with kids in other episodes (such as Lucas in "Dead in the Water," and Michael in "Something Wicked") so we know he relates well to young boys. He interacted well with Ben. I think he would be an awesome Dad or a terrific stepfather (assuming he wasn't running off to chase supernatural things that were trying to kill him on a regular basis, that is), but for now I choose to accept Lisa's word on this.
Anne W. - Apr 10, 2010 3:58:04 am PDT #7131 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
we got to watch him bond with the child and get all wistful
I think that was the key, here. It's been mentioned before that family doesn't end with blood. I'm too fogged up on allergy meds to put this together coherently, but I think there's something going on with how people choose to play out/accept/abandon their 'assigned' family roles.
And on that note, the whole predisposed bloodline thing has not been explained to my satisfaction. "It always had to be you."
I want to see that subverted on the show so badly, you have you idea. I want to see Team Free Will break that bit of angelic dogma into a million bitty pieces.
Marcia - Apr 10, 2010 4:22:44 am PDT #7132 of 30002
Kneel before Glod. ~Stephen Colbert
I want to see Team Free Will break that bit of angelic dogma into a million bitty pieces.
More than anything, this.
What I don't get is, if Zachariah now knows that God has NOT "left the building", does he really not see Joshua's appearance as some kind of blatant cue that God is, at the very least, watching? If God's wrath is something to fear, wouldn't the fact that God seems to be paying attention, and to some extent is helping the boys, be a HUGE clue that perhaps some angels should be rethinking the Apocalypse?
Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 10, 2010 5:35:50 am PDT #7133 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I for one would like someone to ask Zachariah if he's considered the possibility that there might be personal consequences to inspiring seething hatred in people who, if his plan succeeds, will become vessels of the two most powerful incarnate beings in creation. If I were either of the Winchesters and decided to say yes I'd make his grisly end one of the conditions.
§ ita § - Apr 10, 2010 5:40:22 am PDT #7134 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
a HUGE clue that perhaps some angels should be rethinking the Apocalypse?
Maybe he was listening in on the sitting it out part.
I don't know if Zachariah is equipped to deal. I mean, if he has the faculties to do so. He's been so enamoured of taking the bludgeon to Dean, time after time, that it might not occur to him that a deal could be in the offing.
Michael, the smooth talker, on the other hand, seems more likely to go that way. But I'm not entirely clear who's talking to who up there. Still don't know how Anna got out, and on whose side she was acting.
sumi - Apr 10, 2010 2:40:42 pm PDT #7135 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!
Hey, spent today with my best SPN fan friend and we suddenly realized that the Michael Shanks character AND the preacher both had the Hunter-creation thing going on - is it possible that we will see them again?
By Hunter Creating thing - I mean when you lose somebody in bizarre circumstances to Supernatural creatures.
sumi - Apr 10, 2010 2:42:32 pm PDT #7136 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!
Also - it would be kind of fun to have season 6 open in the reverse of season 1: with Dean living a nice quiet ordinary life and Sam coming into it and pulling him back to the hunt.
Theresa - Apr 10, 2010 2:51:32 pm PDT #7137 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
In the 100th episode party clip, Jensen's toast is "here is to 100 more!" So I am thinking they have room for lots of scenarios. Suburbia Dean pulled back into it would be cool.
§ ita § - Apr 10, 2010 2:54:29 pm PDT #7138 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But what is he leaving behind? Jessica had to die for Sam not to be abandoning anything. Would we give Dean a similar loss? Or would he turn around and walk away from a family?
Unless you meant solo suburbia. The idea of Dean settling down by himself seems...well, I can think of nothing other than It's a Terrible Life. It would need a lot of setup.