Oh, GOD, that's painful. And for bonus points of pain, why not work up a scenario where Dean is responsible for the death of both of his father figures, huh?

A funny vid I just saw: A Boy Named Sammy.

So Dean will have to kill Bobby? Ouch. I don't know how they would bring Dean back from that to do another season.

The boy named Sue vid is awesome. Thanks so much for posting that.

I think I agree with Theresa. I think the angst resulting from killing Bobby would be too much even for Dean, and for the viewer. But I guess we'll see!

I need to watch the vid now.

Amy, I really, REALLY hope you and Theresa are right.

Kripke is a bastard, though. You never know. I mean, I never would have anticipated the semi crashing into them, or Ava going darkside, or any of a million horrible things, so.

Bobby looked so utterly in despair when he looked at... it was Dean, right? At the end? I fear for him. Like, how hard is he going to try to keep going? Amazing performance. I loved his wife, too. The character and the actress.

The sheriff was, I think, on a soap I used to watch, but I can't think of it. I guess I could IMDB it, but eh.

Have been reading over the last 900 or so posts: 1) I've missed being in here (well, on line much at all, really), and 2) OMG the awesome vid and fic recs! Yay! Retro thanks, dudes.

Random thought #2 -- would Dean's idea of heaven really entail him going to a place where he's 4 years old?

If he could be with his mom, yes.

I don't agree. I can see Dean wanting to go a place of peace, with no more fighting, either against "dee-monic sons of bitches" or between his family members. Undoubtedly he'd want an intact, loving family unit. But Dean is a man in all contexts of the word, and his sense of responsibility and strength are bone-deep in him. I can't see him wanting to infantilize himself.

I am happy to see them in heaven though. I've read way too much fanfic that presupposes that both of them are bound to go to hell.

Random thought #3 -- even though anonymous thug hunters are shooting them, assuming Michael and Lucifer have been telling the truth they could both be brought back, couldn't they? Michael and Lucifer aren't going to let their vessels get knocked off, after all.

There is the angle that with his mother is the last time he feels he was happy, so he would be pulled there. And Sam might very well have the same "those were the days" instincts (despite never having lived through them), barring going back to Stanford--and I'm thinking those days were more fraught to the paradise lost of the pre-vengeance Winchester life.

Amy, I really, REALLY hope you and Theresa are right.

Oh, I don't think I am right. I just hope it doesn't go that way.

Discussion here is assuming the boys are in Heaven. Zachariah is in the previews so he can certainly have a hand in it and I wouldn't think his Heaven would be a nice place. It can be any number of twists although I doubt we see another djinn. Besides I've seen the boys and the Impala die before and they came back. Dying is kind of a relative term for Winchesters.

But Dean is a man in all contexts of the word, and his sense of responsibility and strength are bone-deep in him. I can't see him wanting to infantilize himself.

Dean is completely empty as read by the horseman Death. I don't think he has any needs per se beyond keeping Sam safe. Anything that belongs in the adult world, Dean indulges but it satisfies nothing for him.

Question from one of the previews that none of you have commented on. I'm spoiler-fonting it for those avoidant.

It's pretty obvious to me that Mary doesn't *see* Sam. She talks to Dean, though Sam is between her and Dean. Dean is seated at the breakfast table, Sam is not. It's brief, but it was there, and obvious to me. Just me, then? It emphasizes Dean and Mom before Sammy--or at least before baby Sam could talk.