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Inara ,'Serenity'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Liese S. - Mar 24, 2010 2:29:56 pm PDT #6263 of 30002
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I have to say, I quit SPN for genderfail, but it was a while ago, so I have no opinion about Ellen & Jo's deaths, other than, SAD! But I think at the time I saw some of the racefail that ita didn't consider problematic. For me, though, it was cumulative. I probably wouldn't have bristled at perceived racefail if I weren't also bristling at genderfail.


§ ita § - Mar 24, 2010 2:40:18 pm PDT #6264 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The genderfails for me were twofold: oversexualising female victims, and caving to fangirl aversion to regular female characters. But neither, obviously, enough to overcome my love for the show. And the women I like, I like a lot. Ellen and Mary and Pamela and Missouri rock. Meg, as played by Nikki Aycox was pretty cool too. Ruby, as played by Katie Cassidy, I kinda liked. But Ruby in general makes me all overprotective of Sam, so it's hard for me to appreciate her with any sort of sanity.


Lee - Mar 24, 2010 2:41:58 pm PDT #6265 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I still don't like Bela as written though.


§ ita § - Mar 24, 2010 2:44:32 pm PDT #6266 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah, Bela was a deliberate omission for me. I can't work out how to fix her, but I damned well could suggest fixing the boys' reactions to her. SHE SHOT SAM. STOP BEING SO NOT UNNICE TO HER.


Beverly - Mar 24, 2010 2:48:29 pm PDT #6267 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I loved Lauren Cohan, and I think she had great onscreen chemistry with JA's Dean. I wish they could have created a better character for her, or at least served her character better. Bela never actually fit into the Winchesters' world, and while that was supposed to be part of the appeal of her character for the audience--while providing girly eye candy and a bit of the glitz most if not all other CW shows have and the CW seems to require--it never felt organic to the show. The sheer clunkiness did her character in, I think. ETA: Well, along with the whole SHE SHOT SAM thing, that is.


Amy - Mar 24, 2010 2:49:34 pm PDT #6268 of 30002
Because books.

I didn't mind Bela, although they wrote her with a lot of holes. Even her introduction made no sense -- how was she supposed to know they were eating at Biggerson's in time to grab a wig and a uniform and pretend to be a waitress?

I have no problem with her being a bitch, or doing what she did -- it's sort of surprising we haven't seen more people profiting off the supernatural instead of just being victimized by it.

And while I don't love that she apparently killed her parents because she was a victim of sexual abuse, I can't think of a lot of other reasons for a fifteen- or sixteen-year-old girl to want her parents dead and remain remotely sympathetic.


P.M. Marc - Mar 24, 2010 2:52:46 pm PDT #6269 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

And while I don't love that she apparently killed her parents because she was a victim of sexual abuse, I can't think of a lot of other reasons for a fifteen- or sixteen-year-old girl to want her parents dead and remain remotely sympathetic.

Non-sexual abuse. I mean, Max wasn't molested.


Amy - Mar 24, 2010 2:54:22 pm PDT #6270 of 30002
Because books.

Abuse in general is pretty cliched, though.

Not that it's not horrific, of course. And it happens, so.


§ ita § - Mar 24, 2010 2:58:16 pm PDT #6271 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just can't get over them getting over her threatening to kill him. At least Gordon thought he was saving the world.


P.M. Marc - Mar 24, 2010 3:00:08 pm PDT #6272 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Totally cliched. Just doesn't have to be sexualized. Which is, like, at least 75% of chicks in comics backstory/origin story/damage. I'd rather, at this point, if they have to use the abuse trope, have it be of the non-sexual variety. I mean, does a chick HAVE to get a copy of The Courage to Heal with her cape?

(Note: actual numbers hyperbole. But the complaint is one of long standing.)