No, *those* black clouds that settle into the smoking ash are Dead.
The ones that shoot out of the mouth and head into a vent or whatever are still viable. Or whatever you want to call it.
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Amy - Mar 18, 2010 9:16:20 am PDT #6036 of 30002
Because books.
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2010 9:29:03 am PDT #6037 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But Beverly, in Alastair's death scene they distinguish between Sam sending demons back to hell (which is what I assumed the pulling was doing) and him killing demons.
I just don't recall the scenes with the clouds sinking.
It might just be my headache talking, but I'd read what he did to Alastair and Lilith as markedly different to all the rest.
Amy - Mar 18, 2010 9:36:44 am PDT #6038 of 30002
Because books.
It looked different? Maybe because they're higher-level demons? But I thought the point he tried to make when Dean caught him at it, early on in S4, was that he didn't kill the host, but he did kill the demons. I could be wrong, though.
I'd have to look at early S4 to figure which ep features the sinking black cloud/ash, etc.
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2010 9:58:21 am PDT #6039 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I thought there were three scenarios: cloud in vent means the demon is under its own steam and will possess again; cloud to floor means demon to hell and it will be a bitch for it to come back (Sam and exorcisms); internal light show end of the demon road (kill shot from Colt, knife, or hopped up Sam).
Approximately.
Amy - Mar 18, 2010 9:59:43 am PDT #6040 of 30002
Because books.
Now that you put it that way, you may be right.
Mommmmmmmm! ita's making me think!
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 18, 2010 10:01:12 am PDT #6041 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I know the Great Pumpkin episode featured Sam HaneSamhain (aghhh, it burns!) billowing out of his host and burning to ash around the body.
Beverly - Mar 18, 2010 10:28:50 am PDT #6042 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
ita, I think the first two are the same, actually. An exorcised demon cloud looks the same, and often goes up, as a voluntarily exiting one. YED voluntarily left John's body and seeped through the floor of the cabin.
Sam pulling demons left the hosts alive, and left the demon a smoking puddle of black goo, with flickering embers here and there, on the floor. No return to hell to rise and possess again.
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2010 10:55:14 am PDT #6043 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Then Alastair's challenge to Sam to send him back to hell and Sam's assertion that he can kill now doesn't make sense.
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 18, 2010 11:15:36 am PDT #6044 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Maybe Alastair just mistakenly thought he was too strong to be destroyed that way, as with his immunity to Ruby's knife?
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2010 11:21:05 am PDT #6045 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Sam's reply was in line with that assumption, though, and what he did to Alastair was different from what he'd been doing up until then.