I know the Great Pumpkin episode featured Sam HaneSamhain (aghhh, it burns!) billowing out of his host and burning to ash around the body.
Lorne: Once the word spreads you beat up an innocent old man, well, the truly terrible will think twice before going toe-to-toe with our Avenging Angel. Spike: Yes. The geriatric community will be soiling their nappies when they hear you're on the case. Bravo.
'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 18, 2010 10:01:12 am PDT #6041 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Beverly - Mar 18, 2010 10:28:50 am PDT #6042 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
ita, I think the first two are the same, actually. An exorcised demon cloud looks the same, and often goes up, as a voluntarily exiting one. YED voluntarily left John's body and seeped through the floor of the cabin.
Sam pulling demons left the hosts alive, and left the demon a smoking puddle of black goo, with flickering embers here and there, on the floor. No return to hell to rise and possess again.
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2010 10:55:14 am PDT #6043 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Then Alastair's challenge to Sam to send him back to hell and Sam's assertion that he can kill now doesn't make sense.
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 18, 2010 11:15:36 am PDT #6044 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Maybe Alastair just mistakenly thought he was too strong to be destroyed that way, as with his immunity to Ruby's knife?
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2010 11:21:05 am PDT #6045 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Sam's reply was in line with that assumption, though, and what he did to Alastair was different from what he'd been doing up until then.
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2010 1:41:40 pm PDT #6046 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Now that I'm home again, I went to the Supernatural wiki, and their assumptions line up with mine WRT Sam:
Sam can force a demon to leave its host through sheer force of will. Initially, using this ability caused Sam a great deal of stress and would often result in severe headaches and nosebleeds, but with time and practice he was able to exorcise a demon without these side-effects. Once removed, the demon "smoke" falls to the ground and burns a black circle as it descends back to Hell.
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When fueled by a certain amount of demon blood, Sam powers are strong enough to allow him to not only exorcise demons, but kill them too. Killing a demon creates the same light inside their body as when they're killed by the Colt or Ruby's knife.
Amy - Mar 18, 2010 1:57:52 pm PDT #6047 of 30002
Because books.
It makes sense laid out like that. Otherwise what he said to Alistair would have made none.
And tonight we can be broken by My Bloody Valentine again! Whoo.
Beverly - Mar 18, 2010 2:31:57 pm PDT #6048 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
Thanks for sorting it out. I did have it wrong.
I'ma have to get a second tv for the bedroom.
Amy - Mar 19, 2010 5:14:05 am PDT #6049 of 30002
Because books.
The back end of S3 is much better than the beginning. We're up to the dream root now! Whoo.
SuziQ - Mar 19, 2010 5:22:16 am PDT #6050 of 30002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame
Sam is just having his dream about Bela. CJ hasn't seen this episode and he was shocked that Sam was dreaming of her. Can't wait to see his reaction to the rest of the fun.