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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Feb 26, 2010 7:25:30 am PST #5543 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Dean is never really going to accept that this isn't all his responsibility.

I wonder if the fans that were mad at Dean for continually blaming Sam for opening the final seal have shifted their POV? Because although they were playing an angle, the speech to the Dr. at the start of Sam, Interrupted? I totally bought.

Still, Dean would probably still think it was his job to clean up even if he hadn't opened the first seal--the time for sheltering Sam is past, but Dean hasn't changed all that much from seeing himself as the sacrificial little soldier with little inherent value (how can you be the designated saviour of the world and have no self-esteem? Ask Dean).

Sam knows just how deeply broken Dean is, that he *can't* let go and let anything out and expect to function

Yeah, I'm glad we got to see that it was clear in-story that Dean was wrongwrongwrong, and that Sam knew it.

I know Sam screaming for Dean at the end of MBV was a weak point for him, coming after him having been very strong, but it just underscored for me how much Sam needs Dean. Dean needs Sam to be alive, but Sam needs Dean...this sentence is not working.

Given==they both need each other. But Dean needs Sam to be alive for Sam's sake more, and Sam needs Dean alive for Sam's sake too. Or at least as far as either of them will ever admit it, and it's clear that Dean's not admitty boy.


Amy - Feb 26, 2010 7:55:09 am PST #5544 of 30002
Because books.

I know Sam screaming for Dean at the end of MBV was a weak point for him, coming after him having been very strong, but it just underscored for me how much Sam needs Dean. Dean needs Sam to be alive, but Sam needs Dean...this sentence is not working.

Sam screaming for Dean breaks me every time.

I think Sam needs Dean in ways that are different from Dean needing Sam, yes. I don't think Dean ever lets himself really think about how much he needs Sam for his own emotional well-being. Like you said, he needs Sam *to be alive* for Sam's sake, but ... it's really for Dean, too, because it means he's done the only job he thinks he's really meant to do.

Their relationship is so gloriously twisted and dysfunctional and yet really touching, it's endlessly fascinating to me.


§ ita § - Feb 26, 2010 8:08:02 am PST #5545 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it means he's done the only job he thinks he's really meant to do

That's exactly it. The fact that he wants Sam next to him is less important than the fact that he's been charged with Sam's life since he was 4.

it's endlessly fascinating to me.

I can't get enough of it. Best sibling dynamic ever, that I wouldn't actually want to have.


Amy - Feb 26, 2010 8:32:02 am PST #5546 of 30002
Because books.

And not for nothing, I love that we not only got to see lots of mostly naked JP in this episode (biting! hand cradling head! mrph), but we got to see Sam being so ... hungry. All the pent-up desire and need for physical affection that he couldn't quite face with Sarah comes out here with Madison, and he just throws himself into it. It puts a different face on just how much he loved Jess, I think -- how committed and passionate he can be.

Plus, you know, and it bears repeating, naked Sammy.


SuziQ - Feb 26, 2010 8:34:29 am PST #5547 of 30002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Amy's gonna make me pull out my DVD's since I didn't watch this morning. Bad Suzi, bad.


Amy - Feb 26, 2010 8:35:28 am PST #5548 of 30002
Because books.

My work here is done.


§ ita § - Feb 26, 2010 8:40:32 am PST #5549 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

how committed and passionate he can be.

Don't you mean freaky and perverse unlike his sensitive brother Dean?

Okay, perhaps you don't.

But it is a lovely scene. He's good with those. JA's are lacklustre in comparison.

The whole Jess thing could be seen as very schmoopy since it's just about all reminiscing and Sam's usually painted as Mr. Sensitive, so it is good to see that side of him, and not just when he's hating himself with a demon. And then there are the visuals. When the camera pulls away from both of them in bed, I don't know if JP has looked prettier on the show.


Marcia - Feb 26, 2010 9:12:06 am PST #5550 of 30002
Kneel before Glod. ~Stephen Colbert

...I don't know if JP has looked prettier on the show.

Oh, indeed this. ::burbles incoherently::


Beverly - Feb 26, 2010 12:11:52 pm PST #5551 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Hey, I'm burbling incoherently from memory. I've not been able to catch TNT's reruns yet, and my dvds are in a box somewhere, so I'm coasting on alla y'all's comments and descriptions and...burbling. Carry on.


§ ita § - Feb 26, 2010 12:43:27 pm PST #5552 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Here is a page of screencaps to refresh your memory.

Dayum.