So no female character can do anything anti-Winchester without it being gender fail? The whole world is against them. It's a bit restrictive if it can only be guys.

I don't think it's shitting over her character. I think it's more indication that Heaven is hard core--they ran Castiel through the re-education wringer too. But I can see why he made it out but not everyone might. I mean, she had a point. Castiel had an attachment.

It was great to see him call Sam his friend. It's not only all about Dean. He could totally have just used Dean as his excuse.

I wonder how he knew to come back to 2010. I guess he stopped by the Winchesters and they looked safe and innocent.

Poor Dean. His (PG13) porn dreams are work-related. But given I had a SQL-related Supernatural dream last night, I can dig it.

So no female character can do anything anti-Winchester without it being gender fail?

When did I say that? Ana fell specifically because she empathized with humans. And she helped fight against the evil Angels who had aligned with Lucifer. In general she did not come across as an end-justifies-the-means girl. And she is carrying out Heaven's agenda? If they want an all out Lucifer vs. Michael fight, then killing Sam is NOT heaven's agenda. That was the point of having Castiel release Sam.

So I'd say having yet another sympathetic female character go evil and have to be killed is gender fail. And having Ana turn evil strikes me as shitting one her character. She was willing to call in Uriel in spite of knowing he was evil. She was willing not only to kill Sam, but to kill John and Mary. That's going beyond "hardcore".

I don't see why it's gender fail to shit on her character. Sometimes stuff happens and it's to a woman. Did it happen because she was a woman?

Not that I agree her character was shit on, but still. It can't be gender fail just because she has tits.

So I'd say having yet another sympathetic female character go evil and have to be killed

What other women has this been true for? Lots have died, yes (and I am not trying to say this is not problematic), but I don't think there's been that much of this exact pattern.

The only other one I can think of is Ava.

I wonder how he knew to come back to 2010.

I wondered about that, too. But then again, we still don't know who or what brought him back to life after Raphael smote him, so perhaps he wasn't the one who zapped himself back to 2010. He wasn't exactly conscious enough to say after he got back.

I just don't think you can have it both ways -- you can't call it gender fail if women are victims *and* if women are the bad guys. That makes women untouchable, and that's not realistic.

I don't think it was shitting on Anna's character to make her "evil." I'm also not sure I'd call her "evil" here -- she's not killing indiscriminately. She had a plan meant to benefit the greater good, and was doing battle in a very military "collateral damage" way.

Which is not to say I didn't loathe her last night. But that's because I love the Winchesters.

Eh, I think it fits into their larger pattern of gender fail because of how they wrote it (I think there were some script tweaks that could have been made to make less faily, such nuking the stupid Fatal Attraction reference, which frankly didn't make contextual sense AND was wicked sexist), but saying Supernatural has gender issues is like saying water is wet.

The Fatal Attraction reference was a bad one. But I don't think that the premise of having a female character go against (or choose to go against) the brothers is gender fail without some specific points being hit. And I just wasn't feeling it here.

Unless it's that Dean's magic deep dicking couldn't keep her on the one true path.

The big surprise will be when an angel other than Castiel is for them. The rest will be actively against them. Anna would not have been that surprise. I expected nothing else of her.

Unless it's that Dean's magic deep dicking couldn't keep her on the one true path.

::splutters tea on monitor::

Heh.

But I don't think that the premise of having a female character go against (or choose to go against) the brothers is gender fail without some specific points being hit. And I just wasn't feeling it here.

I was kind of feeling it, mainly because her motivations were sloppily laid out and they threw the Fatal Attraction BS into the mix. More later. Have to catch my bus. It's not the premise, it's the execution.