And we live to fight another day.

Mal ,'Objects In Space'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Feb 05, 2010 5:31:04 am PST #5084 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The Fatal Attraction reference was a bad one. But I don't think that the premise of having a female character go against (or choose to go against) the brothers is gender fail without some specific points being hit. And I just wasn't feeling it here.

Unless it's that Dean's magic deep dicking couldn't keep her on the one true path.

The big surprise will be when an angel other than Castiel is for them. The rest will be actively against them. Anna would not have been that surprise. I expected nothing else of her.


Amy - Feb 05, 2010 5:32:37 am PST #5085 of 30002
Because books.

Unless it's that Dean's magic deep dicking couldn't keep her on the one true path.

::splutters tea on monitor::

Heh.


P.M. Marc - Feb 05, 2010 5:37:46 am PST #5086 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

But I don't think that the premise of having a female character go against (or choose to go against) the brothers is gender fail without some specific points being hit. And I just wasn't feeling it here.

I was kind of feeling it, mainly because her motivations were sloppily laid out and they threw the Fatal Attraction BS into the mix. More later. Have to catch my bus. It's not the premise, it's the execution.


Ailleann - Feb 05, 2010 5:52:41 am PST #5087 of 30002
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Castiel has been the only angel that's been on their side (as in, putting the safety of the Winchesters above the "stop the apocalypse" agenda). I don't see how anything that Anna did is out of line with their general vibe up to this point.


P.M. Marc - Feb 05, 2010 6:38:34 am PST #5088 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Castiel has been the only angel that's been on their side (as in, putting the safety of the Winchesters above the "stop the apocalypse" agenda). I don't see how anything that Anna did is out of line with their general vibe up to this point.

Anna had been their ally in S4, and was acting as a free agent in this case if she is to be believed (and if Michael still wants to make with the brother-on-brother fight to the death, than Anna is probably to be believed as acting independently in her desire to stop it from happening). Sera and memefaultotherwriter did a poor job selling me on her motivation, by which I mean, I feel like I had to fill in motivational blanks and Anna should have made a more convincing argument with Castiel.

I find that allies-turned-antagonists work best when still somewhat sympathetic/understandable. So Gordon and Ava worked better for me, because Gordon's righteous belief was *sold*, as was Ava's trauma and desire to survive. Anna wasn't really allowed//written with the three dimensionality that would have put the episode over the top in the good way.


Amy - Feb 05, 2010 6:41:15 am PST #5089 of 30002
Because books.

Anna wasn't really allowed//written with the three dimensionality that would have put the episode over the top in the good way.

But that's just writing fail, not gender fail, the way you're explaining it.

For me, given that Anna lived as a human, and purposely fell so that she could, her motivation to save humanity by preventing the apocalypse is pretty understandable.


Ailleann - Feb 05, 2010 6:42:30 am PST #5090 of 30002
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Anna had been their ally in S4

Yeah, but an ally is not a friend.


P.M. Marc - Feb 05, 2010 6:44:20 am PST #5091 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

But that's just writing fail, not gender fail, the way you're explaining it.

I would say that 99% of the time, gender fail *is* writing fail. Okay, maybe more like 75% of the time.

For me, given that Anna lived as a human, and purposely fell so that she could, her motivation to save humanity by preventing the apocalypse is pretty understandable.

Not enough callback to it here, after her torture/jail time. I mean, I knew that, but the text didn't *show* me that, and required that I remember it from S4,


Lee - Feb 05, 2010 6:45:34 am PST #5092 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Well, they do only have 45 or so minutes to work with.


Amy - Feb 05, 2010 6:45:49 am PST #5093 of 30002
Because books.

I would say that 99% of the time, gender fail *is* writing fail. Okay, maybe more like 75% of the time.

Wait, what? Writing fail could be writing fail on any number of things. And yes, gender fail results from writing fail, obviously, but you're explaining why her lack of illstrated motivation here is a *gender* issue.