That was such an amazing exchange. Although Sam's first meeting at the front door with his parents was achingly beautiful. God, so much there that I could relate to on a personal level. Sam's reaction was perfect!

Whoah. That was creepy and chilling.

I'm going to have to think of that guardian angel as Castiel to keep it not so bad...

That was quite the punch. I mean, I knew Sam couldn't stay dead, but I really didn't appreciate watching him like that. And I was kind of surprised that Michael didn't even try to wager for him. I guess they know how implacable the boys' need for each other is, but also where they've reached this season.

So sad John being de-virginated and then knowing he's going to have to learn this all again sometime. And then Dean making the flat decision to tell his mother the truth and the lack of hesitation to wipe both of them out of existence. He needs Sam revived (he's not living without him), but if they'd both never existed? Would he have suggested Mary leave John with just Dean?

I, I, I,

TOO MUCH FLAIL...

SHOW!!!!

The tag was SO freaking creepy to me. CREEPY.

But, hey! MICHAEL!

Yeah OK. But Ana turning evil (with the best of motives) seems just another case of a long line of gender fail. And then to make a "Fatal Attraction" reference? Isn't this shitting all over Ana's character? (BTW, did Michael kill her, or just destroy her vessel?)

BTW, did Michael kill her, or just destroy her vessel?

A quick straw poll of the two of us in this household agree that it looked as though he killed her.

So no female character can do anything anti-Winchester without it being gender fail? The whole world is against them. It's a bit restrictive if it can only be guys.

I don't think it's shitting over her character. I think it's more indication that Heaven is hard core--they ran Castiel through the re-education wringer too. But I can see why he made it out but not everyone might. I mean, she had a point. Castiel had an attachment.

It was great to see him call Sam his friend. It's not only all about Dean. He could totally have just used Dean as his excuse.

I wonder how he knew to come back to 2010. I guess he stopped by the Winchesters and they looked safe and innocent.

Poor Dean. His (PG13) porn dreams are work-related. But given I had a SQL-related Supernatural dream last night, I can dig it.

So no female character can do anything anti-Winchester without it being gender fail?

When did I say that? Ana fell specifically because she empathized with humans. And she helped fight against the evil Angels who had aligned with Lucifer. In general she did not come across as an end-justifies-the-means girl. And she is carrying out Heaven's agenda? If they want an all out Lucifer vs. Michael fight, then killing Sam is NOT heaven's agenda. That was the point of having Castiel release Sam.

So I'd say having yet another sympathetic female character go evil and have to be killed is gender fail. And having Ana turn evil strikes me as shitting one her character. She was willing to call in Uriel in spite of knowing he was evil. She was willing not only to kill Sam, but to kill John and Mary. That's going beyond "hardcore".

I don't see why it's gender fail to shit on her character. Sometimes stuff happens and it's to a woman. Did it happen because she was a woman?

Not that I agree her character was shit on, but still. It can't be gender fail just because she has tits.

So I'd say having yet another sympathetic female character go evil and have to be killed

What other women has this been true for? Lots have died, yes (and I am not trying to say this is not problematic), but I don't think there's been that much of this exact pattern.