Okay, gotcha.

I'm amazed at what I'm finding in each episode watching it straight through from the start again. Stuff happened in the beginning of Shadow, for instance, that I didn't remember at all.

The reunion with John was also a lot more powerful with the buildup of the previous episodes. Plus, I am a sucker for the way JDM plays him -- that smile, and the husky voice. I may have swooned just a *little* bit.

I know John's a lousy father, et al., but yeah, he was hot in Shadow. The family dynamic on this show weakens me. When the boys call him sir, they're all hotter.

Lots of shallow thoughts about that ep--the boys bound and cut? Meg taunting them? Mmmm.

Despite what Sam said even in the pilot about their childhood, the episode that really hurt was Something Wicked, which is on tomorrow. *Seeing* how young Sam and Dean were there, especially Sam, and the responsibility John left to Dean, was just heartbreaking.

I have a lot of sympathy for John, probably because of the way JDM played him as well as Dean's love for him, but even that gets twisted later, when Dean starts to realize how blindly he idolized him.

Oh! And speaking of shallow, today in Hell House I was really struck by how gratuitously beefcake Sam was, coming out of the shower. Not that I didn't enjoy it, mind you, but wow. They really went for the drool factor there with no shame.

I don't have clear memories about the S1 episodes, so I look forward to what tomorrow will remind me of. So far, A Very Supernatural Christmas takes my heartbreak cake.

I love how complicated they get about their father. I'm looking forward to that.

I admit, I rewound and rewatched Sam coming out of the shower. JP flexes his pec quite gratuitously. It's...it's terrible. That's why I had to look again to be sure.

Exactly. You need to verify that he is indeed showing off. I understand completely.

I didn't even see Hell House today, but you are taking me to my one of my very happy places. That scene is engraved on the inside of my eyelids.

I have a lot of sympathy for John, probably because of the way JDM played him as well as Dean's love for him, but even that gets twisted later

I have pretty much no sympathy for John. Despite the physical loveliness of JDM any sympathy got burned out of me by John's treatment of the boys -- when Dean, the supremely competent and obedient soldier/son called him in tears, saying that he was afraid and didn't know what to do, John did nothing. He didn't show up, didn't even call. Even though he was in the same damned town. When Sam, who we can be pretty sure didn't call and ask for much of anything in the intervening years, called and told him that Dean was dying, again, John did nothing. Didn't even call. Once John reestablished contact it was only to send them off on missions again. His only excuse for a lack of conversation, if I remember correctly, was that it was safer for them if he wasn't in contact. But apparently it was safe enough for him to contact them and order them around and put them in danger chasing various supernatural beasties. I get conflicted sometimes about my reactions to Sam, and occasionally Dean drives me up a wall, but I remain gloriously unconflicted about John.

For the sake of the story, I love what John has done to Dean and Sam. Because of JDM, I find his presentation sexy.

I can't even say I'd want to save the boys from him if I were in the universe, because it's so gloriously impossible.

So on conflicting levels I appreciate John, but he's an absolute ass. He does gruffly touching things later, but he's still an ass. Those boys needed a mother, but then we'd have had no story.

Then again, I liked JDM as The Comedian in Watchmen, and that's an unequivocally nasty character. He has a way about him. I need to see him do something else--something not Denny.

Morgana, as a parent I have a lot more sympathy for John. I've always believed him when he said it "wasn't safe" for him to be in close proximity to his sons--that if Azazel was stalking him, he didn't want to lead it to Sam. Or if it was stalking Sam, John thought he'd have a better line on exorcising it if he had enough distance to work. I do believe he got to Lawrence as fast as he could when Dean called. He wasn't there before, but he came. They didn't see him, but he was watching to make sure they did okay, while avoiding contact.

And I've always believed it was John who called Joshua with the lead on Roy LeGrange, so that Joshua would pass the information on to Sam.

John wasn't a good parent. But under the circumstances, he was the best parent Sam and Dean could have had. There's been much speculation that if John had left the boys in foster care, they'd have been with people who were unable to protect them from Azazel or any other evil thing. I'm sure he'd have felt far better if he'd known they would have "normal" while he went off to look for demons. But he couldn't leave them unprotected.

Lots of shallow thoughts about that ep--the boys bound and cut? Meg taunting them? Mmmm.

Jensen had worked with Nicki before, on DA. There was a whole day of filming the brothers tied up, and Nicki took great advantage of both of them--Jensen in particular, grinding and sliding. He finally told her, "Just--sit still."

I don't think she did.

I need to see him do something else--something not Denny.

He was good in a little indie movie called Jam as a single dad of two. His role in P.S. I Love You is pretty brief, but it's worth for a) a look at his bare ass, b) his Irish accent, and c) hearing him sing.

There's also a ridiculous but fun little comedy-horror indie called Dead and Breakfast where he plays the sheriff.