Yeah. Sam chose something other than Dean AGAIN.
You turned evil a lot faster than I thought you would.
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Ailleann - Sep 10, 2009 5:15:27 pm PDT #3340 of 30002
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Theresa - Sep 10, 2009 5:18:46 pm PDT #3341 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
But he looks so sad about it afterward. I mean, sure Sam did an unforgivable thing, but couldn't Dean just give him a little hug to erase some of that hurt in those eyes?
The ending was ouchy.
chrismg - Sep 10, 2009 5:20:03 pm PDT #3342 of 30002
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade
Amy - Sep 10, 2009 5:20:46 pm PDT #3343 of 30002
Because books.
The end was totally ouchy.
I also thought Sam (well, Jared) looked YEARS younger, little boy young and vulnerable again, when demon!Bobby was telling him to lose his number.
Amy - Sep 10, 2009 5:23:36 pm PDT #3344 of 30002
Because books.
He wrote this.
Ah. Can you explain what you meant, though? How is Kripke trying to prove that?
brenda m - Sep 10, 2009 5:25:55 pm PDT #3345 of 30002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
God, that look when Dean said the trust wasn't there anymore - he was shocked.
Sam's been practically begging Dean to attack him, to lay the blame for the apocalypse at his door. And Dean wouldn't play along. And he finally runs him to ground, and what he gets isn't "you ended the world" but "you broke us." Even after everything, after the bullshit "if you walk out that door don't come back", he didn't expect that. Ouch ouch ouch.
They weren't in sync last season, not at all. But this is new. I so hope the arc of this season is them figuring it out again.
Amy - Sep 10, 2009 5:26:44 pm PDT #3346 of 30002
Because books.
That's what I think it is, brenda. And yeah, Sam was STUNNED.
Morgana - Sep 10, 2009 5:27:05 pm PDT #3347 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
Sam chose something other than Dean AGAIN.
And that Sam's motivations for his "choices" were trying to avenge Dean and trying to become strong enough to stop Lilith? Dean doesn't care, because he is incapable of seeing shades of gray. He will always see anything other than what he (or John) declared the Winchester Way to be rebellion and betrayal. Sam's choices led to a crappy outcome. He was taken in by Ruby and then allowed himself to be misled. You'd think if nothing else the sucking down of demon blood would have raised giant red flags for him. But again, it wasn't as though he was deliberately working to cause Armageddon - when he broke the 66th seal it was done because he thought he was preserving it. And whoever/whatever caused the other 65 seals to break caused the Apocalypse too. If those seals hadn't gone down, it couldn't have happened.
what he gets isn't "you ended the world" but "you broke us."
I like this, because I've always felt that the bond between the two of them was the heart of the show for me.
Ailleann - Sep 10, 2009 5:31:16 pm PDT #3348 of 30002
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Dean feels betrayed, by the last living family member he has left. Logic doesn't usually enter into things like that. The fact that Sam had well-intentioned reasons for it doesn't really make much of a difference. It's still the choice he made, and Dean feels betrayed.
I don't think it's out of character for Dean to see things in very stark lines. He lives in an us-vs.-them kind of world.
Amy - Sep 10, 2009 5:34:00 pm PDT #3349 of 30002
Because books.
If you notice, too, Dean's not even really pointing the finger about him breaking the seal. That's not the blame he's laying -- he knows Sam didn't know that. He's blaming Sam for not listening to Dean, for choosing Ruby instead.
And Dean may have broken the first seal, but he didn't know he did that, either.
They're both pawns here, and have been for a long time, but what Kripke is focusing on is the bond between them. Which I love.