Sam chose something other than Dean AGAIN.

And that Sam's motivations for his "choices" were trying to avenge Dean and trying to become strong enough to stop Lilith? Dean doesn't care, because he is incapable of seeing shades of gray. He will always see anything other than what he (or John) declared the Winchester Way to be rebellion and betrayal. Sam's choices led to a crappy outcome. He was taken in by Ruby and then allowed himself to be misled. You'd think if nothing else the sucking down of demon blood would have raised giant red flags for him. But again, it wasn't as though he was deliberately working to cause Armageddon - when he broke the 66th seal it was done because he thought he was preserving it. And whoever/whatever caused the other 65 seals to break caused the Apocalypse too. If those seals hadn't gone down, it couldn't have happened.

what he gets isn't "you ended the world" but "you broke us."

I like this, because I've always felt that the bond between the two of them was the heart of the show for me.

Dean feels betrayed, by the last living family member he has left. Logic doesn't usually enter into things like that. The fact that Sam had well-intentioned reasons for it doesn't really make much of a difference. It's still the choice he made, and Dean feels betrayed.

I don't think it's out of character for Dean to see things in very stark lines. He lives in an us-vs.-them kind of world.

If you notice, too, Dean's not even really pointing the finger about him breaking the seal. That's not the blame he's laying -- he knows Sam didn't know that. He's blaming Sam for not listening to Dean, for choosing Ruby instead.

And Dean may have broken the first seal, but he didn't know he did that, either.

They're both pawns here, and have been for a long time, but what Kripke is focusing on is the bond between them. Which I love.

Sam's choices led to a crappy outcome...But again, it wasn't as though he was deliberately working to cause Armageddon - when he broke the 66th seal it was done because he thought he was preserving it.

And I think that's why Dean wouldn't go there. (With a side of 1st seal, plus, hello, the other 64.) It hadn't occurred to me before that Bobby and Sam might not know about the first seal thing. I'll have to think about that.

But bottom line - Dean will take the crappy outcome that keeps them together over the split that works. Sam is far more practical about these things than Dean is, and far less invested All Things Winchester. And for invested, read 'completely fucked in the head' from time to time. I guess my point is that's not an argument that ever going to make sense to Dean.

It's a joke. I'm ragging on a) The continued portrayal of female sexuality as dangerous or evil, and b) the only appearance of Lucifer in the episode was as what now?

(Also, I think the book is just a murder mystery.)

Sorry. I don't know you, so it was hard to parse joking there.

Personally, I wish they were keeping the actress from this episode as Lucifer rather than having him played by Rita's heroin addict ex-husband, because that woman was stellar at playing the character as proud and honest and utterly convinced of the righteousness of his cause. I much prefer that to the petty cruelty and brutality we usually see from demons.

because that woman was stellar at playing the character as proud and honest and utterly convinced of the righteousness of his cause.

Yes, I really liked that.

BOBBY! No no no, no killing Bobby. He LIVES, dammit, and retires somewhere far away from the kill zone that surrounds the Winchester boys.

Castiel is a badass. Carving Enochian on their ribs, good times. (Even tho' the theory behind that is full of handwavium, because Enochian is, in real-world occult terms, supposed to be the language of the angels, not something that wards them away.)

(If you listen closely, you can hear Plei sighing and telling me to let. it. go.)

Anyway, I thought this was a solid, solid episode. And yay, Ellen and Jo! Now just don't kill Bobby.

I was wondering why he looked familiar.

I loved the actress too, but I am glad they didn't make Lucifer a woman.

Poor Bobby.

Show was mostly awesome, but the plane thing confused me. I maybe need to rewatch.

Ugh, that ending was rough. I really liked the episode, and didn't wig to anything weird with Bobby until his eyes came over black. His rejection of Sam and Sam's pain were quite the gut shot. But it's much better with the way that relationship wound up. Now I just have to worry about him walking again. Where did he stab himself and how deep?

What Dean did makes total painful sense. The only Supernatural repeat I watched to the end was the one with their brother where Dean tells Sam he's like their father, and that it's not neccessarily a compliment, and I see this rift as an extension of that, provoked obviously by the big choice Sam made--but Dean was looking at him differently from beforehand.