I was wondering if they were setting up Cole as the new spin-off idea.

But I don't think urban fantasy is any worse or better than horror.

Not any better or worse, but you could say the same thing of apples and oranges. If I ask for apples, don't start giving me oranges halfway through the meal and expect me not to notice, or prefer the apples I asked for.

But the show has never successfully been apples. How many episodes of the first two or so seasons were good horror--AHS might be a hot mess, but it's pretty much all horror all the time, pretty much (I am way behind this season, FWIW).

Supernatural might have billed itself as horror, but 10 seasons in (or 5) I'm looking for emotional trauma and weird endorphin highs, because that's been consistent for the past X years.

Oh, and laughing. Show, why weren't you funny this time? Dean IMing with a sex worker was one muffled chuckle. And then pathetic. And then business as usual.

Even the acronym monster djinn AU had laughs, and that's one of the saddest non-Joss things I'd seen at the time.

Perhaps I should have paid more attention to LHOP.

Amy, did you get mail from me? I changed the passwords on my tablet and I don't know if it's sending...

Oh, and I think Cole has potential. Not to be black or female, but I wouldn't mind if he stayed around. Unlike Tracy Bell who was a 2nd rate wet dream with not enough issues and resentment.

Yeah, that's why I tune in...

If you mean email, no, ita. Not recently, anyway!

Even if it wasn't successfully horror all of the first five seasons, I liked it better when they were battling nasty demons or creatures they'd never seen before, like Bloody Mary and the tulpa and djinn, instead of having demons in business suits and running bars and Heaven Incorporated. (I know that goes back to S4, and I think that's where they started going off track. Angels as Castiel appeared in his first few episodes were scary and unknowable.)

Calliope was new!

Okay, I got nothing else. I say we get rid of Crowley (but keep Gavin and Rowena for the LOLs) and see what happens. Put another redheaded (SRSLY, show???) woman on the throne (which looked not comfy).

I'll check the tablet outbox, then.

You know, sometimes I just look at a fic's tags and learn nothing. Canonical character death, you say?? THIS IS SUPERNATURAL.

Here's the cast of characters:

Castiel, Dean Winchester, Charlie Bradbury, Mary Winchester, John Winchester, Sam Winchester, Bela Talbot, Bobby Singer, Aaron Bass,

All I know fur sure is that Aaron survives the story, apparently. Everyone else has died at least once.

You just got to leap in and have faith.

I rewatched the first 4 episodes, and they moved at quite a clip. I was surprised, actually. I thought I would ff through a lot of Paper Moon, but there's really only one non-boy boring bit I had to avoid... I like the scene where Kate kills her.

I've already watched Fan Fiction twice, so I stopped there.

I noticed a couple small things I hadn't before... like the fact that they refer to "the drought" twice. I wonder if that is of import? And we don't see Sam's ears until the third ep.

I notice Sam still hasn't stolen a Chevy, but Cas is driving one. Which they fix! A Winchester would abandon anything but Baby, probably.

Well, I didn't dislike this episode as much as I thought I would from the preview.

I like Hannah's story, now that it is presumably complete. I like the angels in general fine when they are alien and weird and trying to do the right thing.

they refer to "the drought" twice

Ooh. I hope that comes to something.

Horror vs urban fantasy is too fine a distinction for me to assess.

I hope that comes to something.

It's called The Palmer Drought on a web page Sam is looking at in the first episode, and then in the last episode they dismiss cattle deaths as being drought-related. Not something I would have caught without being a tad obsessive.

I've already seen one fic where Dean is communicating with "a trucker from Canada named Bruce" and happy endings all round, apparently. I didn't actually read it.

Horror vs urban fantasy is too fine a distinction for me to assess.

I think of urban fantasy as a blanket term for modern day supernatural stories, usually with a minority knowing the truth. Horror can be sci fi, anything, and depends on a visceral reaction of chills for the audience. Supernatural has never delivered that to me three episodes in a row, maybe not even two.

Lots of emotions I really like, but not all nausea and shuddering. AHS season 3 was definitely both urban fantasy and horror, by my evaluation, for instance.

It feels like pretty few people (authors) remember the boys had never encountered vampires or done an exorcism until after the series starts. It makes sense for monsters to repeat because it gives boundaries to the universe, and gives us worldbuilding that helps with familiarity and immersion into the ongoing story (for me). Granted, I'm motherfucking tired of Crowley and irritated with their version of Hell, but the balance of recurring monsters is fine with me, and same with recurring characters.

We've had them in jeopardy from a Greek muse and a vengeful human (on the same quest as John and the boys, but wrong) and a new kind of witch, as well as clarification on how they work (I like the idea that she's evil, even if she's not demon-bound--we shall have to see how it plays out, though).

Oh, and hotly, I liked that Sam not just reads exorcisms (backwards and forwards), but he clearly understands enough Latin to translate on the fly. I'm assuming (no slight intended) Dean can't do that. But Sam seems to have forgotten his S3 car maintenance classes. Or he should stick to jacking the classics like Dean and Cas.

To be honest, I don't really like horror per se. I consume a fair amount because I get all intrigued by questions the genre tends to pose about the nature of evil, vengeance vs justice, etc., but I don't really enjoy the visceral shudders.

I like it very sparingly. I don't like continuous tension and jump scares and unease that lingers past the credits all that often.

I have a question. Is Lester gone to Heaven? The unfaithful murder-ordering husband is going upstairs and not to Hell? If he is going to Hell, doesn't Crowley get his soul anyway? Or are those not identical conditions?