Murk: But you're a God! The Sacred Glorificus! Glory: I'm a God in exile. Far from the Hellfires of Home and sharing my body with an enemy that stabs my boys in their fleshy little stomachs!

'Dirty Girls'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Amy - Sep 13, 2014 5:49:13 pm PDT #29765 of 30002
Because books.

Jensen directed the season's first episode, I think. (I watched some of the SDCC panel the other day -- it actually includes more of a teaser, including a different scene).

Not sure if Misha has directed his or not.


§ ita § - Sep 13, 2014 6:17:44 pm PDT #29766 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think the JA-directed episode films first but will air third.

I had to rewatch the gag reel and mockumentary, and I have zero¹ recollections of watching them before, so it was all new hyuks.

I'm assuming the links were posted on dilaudid day otherwise I have no explanation for either the amnesia or the typo-ridden posting following it.

¹: literally


Amy - Sep 14, 2014 6:35:39 am PDT #29767 of 30002
Because books.

The mockumentary is awesome. So Misha.

The promo is making me excited and worried all at once. Boys!


§ ita § - Sep 14, 2014 7:57:39 am PDT #29768 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"Deanmon" is incredibly cheesy, but I believe the fandom deserves it for having coined hellatus.

I'm torn between needing to know how long he's in this state (you *are* too sexy) and just wanting to take the ride blind. A good balance would be like S5--at the point where you love the replacement character but are just about to start resenting the missed fraternal time. And I can't tell without watching when that is.

Is there another trailer I'm missing? Sometimes fics seem to consense on a detail and I don't know if Cas saying he's dying is fanon or canon at this point. Kind of like Dean's safeword being Nickelback--why is that in multiple author's fics?


§ ita § - Sep 14, 2014 8:00:45 pm PDT #29769 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So I'm burbling along in this fic, thinking it's all cute and everything, and then I hit this line:

It was my dad’s, Dean finally signs. He… Dean struggles to find the phrasing for the next bit, lets his hand hang in the air. He wasn’t a good guy.

I'm so fucking frustrated with this I almost commented. He was actually a good guy. He was a hero who risked his life to save strangers without a second thought. Why can't anyone (exaggeration) write him as a good guy even if he's not a good father? Are all good people good parents?

Canonwise we know John's father was a good guy too, and we know that Samuel Campbell was despicable. Yet even in fics where Mary is still alive, John's often still a bad man and is fairly likely to die in a DUI of his own causing.

Does no one remember how he actually died? Deciding that there was something more important than his quest for vengeance--his family? Fanon has him an abuser and sometimes a murderer (drunk driving), but so rarely as an ethical self-sacrificing (it's not like all his hunts were Mary-related--he could totally have *only* pursued that path) man who may or may not be a good father in the absence of the canon stimuli.

Maybe that fight was Mary's fault, you know. We don't actually have any evidence.


Anne W. - Sep 15, 2014 2:12:09 am PDT #29770 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Maybe that fight was Mary's fault, you know. We don't actually have any evidence.

I had an idea that I played with in a (now Jossed) John backstory fic. That fight happened shortly after Sam was born - and also right around the time Mary's 10 years were coming due. So, from John's perspective, she was probably on edge and acting strangely for no reason at all. If one partner is having major stress and can't/won't open up to the other partner that anything is even wrong, that would create a fertile breeding ground for a nasty marital fight.

He was actually a good guy. He was a hero who risked his life to save strangers without a second thought. Why can't anyone (exaggeration) write him as a good guy even if he's not a good father?

That drives me nuts, and not just with John. I feel with a lot of writers that characters either need to be 100% in the right, with complete justification for even their worst-seeming actions, or they need to be total assholes.


§ ita § - Sep 15, 2014 9:45:25 am PDT #29771 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I did actually end up commenting on that fic, and got this in response:

yes hello in this universe as they are not hunters, john winchester's main job was to be a father.
and dont every try to defend him as dean's father because nO
if u are looking for nice!john i've written that too. in au i sort of switch back and forth depending on the 'verse - i agree with you that he could have been a good guy. but he wasn't. and he wasn't in this fic.

Clearly it was a dumb idea for me to comment to start out with, and there will be no conversation, since I called John a shitty parent twice in my comment. It's almost like she's admitting she can't write complexity, so she has to go for the 100% characterisation. Not that I'm going to read her other fics--I've written her off even more with that reply.


Strix - Sep 15, 2014 1:57:35 pm PDT #29772 of 30002
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

That teaser I hadn't seen yet and I am totally flailyhands at (ok, I'll say it) Deanmon. THAT. LOOKS. SO. FUN.


§ ita § - Sep 15, 2014 2:08:04 pm PDT #29773 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I even got one of the "everything sucks since Kripke" fanboys to admit it looks promising for the season as far as it goes. But he also wants the Sam, Dean, and Cas show to be more racially diverse--I guess I should be on top of how many episodes Kevin was in to compare to Cas, but for a show that rarely has regulars outside of the brothers-with-the-same-parent, it seems the main way to fix it is to cast the Winchester boys as PoC.


Strix - Sep 15, 2014 2:09:50 pm PDT #29774 of 30002
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I would cast Aldis Hodge as Sam, but I'm blanking on a good PoC Dean and Cas.