Oh, god -- D was all like "He's real stubbly!"

D pretty much always maintains Dean-last-night levels of blond stubble, so between his beloved could-be-Dean's leather jacket and collection of Sam-like snap button Western shirts, he's pretty SPN'd out in the fashion department.

It's so cute!

I think I get it on Hulu+ tomorrow. But it's not the same for me, sadly. I want to love the show the same way I used to.

Yeah, same here (including Hulu). It's a bummer. I'm not sure I even know what the fix would be for me.

I think, all of sudden, Show is coming to the end of its trail, to quote Bobby. Without radically changing the cast and format, it seems like there just isn't much left to do.

I think you're right. So sad. Or, I mean, perfectly understandable, actually, and holy crap I never expected this show to last this long, and I'm glad it did. Still. I will miss these boys when they go.

I wonder whether they'll end it by just sending them out on another hunt, family business style, retiring them (can't imagine), or killing them. I almost feel like an Angel-style ending -- except not with the fate of the world hanging in the balance, please, please -- would be kind of cool. Just watching them enter into the fray, as they do and (someone) always will.

I'm getting a lot of "Sam's being ungrateful to Dean" on my flist and dash and other places. What I see when Sam says, "You want to work together? We work. You want us to be brothers?" And gives a tiny shake of the head. "Those are my terms."

I'm not getting that he wants to not be Dean's family, or his brother. But he wants a new role in Dean's life beside the incompetent "big giant baby", as Crowley called him, who has to be "taken care of". Who has to walk a step behind, get left at the motel when Dean roars off angry to find a bar, who doesn't get a say--or doesn't get listened to when he does say something.

Sam's not always right. But when he is, Dean historically ignores it. Dean doesn't really *see* Sam as an an autonomous adult. He's still making decisions for Sam like it's his job, his place, his duty, and his right.

And making decisions for Sam, and sometimes for Dean, is Sam's job. So, Sam wants a renegotiated contract. And I think that's fair. I think that's a good thing, and I really hope that's what's going to happen.

On the meta side, they both just look so tired, so bored, so *done* with Supernatural. It's so ironic that they put everything they could into the show in the Ostroff years, and sweated being canceled, or not being renewed, all that time. Now, when they're done and they'd probably like to say goodbye, the network CEO *loves* the show and doesn't want to end it. They're professionals, and they show up, hit their marks, say their lines. But there are no depths in their characters left to plumb. No discoveries to make. And from where I sit, any affection, any enjoyment the characters had of being in each other's company is just reduced to habit and duty.

Someone said earlier today, "It's a different show, now." And I think that's true. There won't be any recapture of the glory days, no matter how many ways Carver, et al, try to serve it up.

I wonder whether they'll end it by just sending them out on another hunt, family business style

That's what I would love. I loved the ending of Angel because it was so right for those characters.

In fic, I love to see them retired or raising families, but that wouldn't work for TV -- not without turning it into a family drama, which would be awful.

Of course to really be Angel like, without getting too close, the series would end with them on life support, tubes everywhere, apparently unconscious. And then a pack of monster break into the hospital room. And then the series fadeout show Sam and Deans still mostly on life-support but each of the boys has one hand free with a long dangerous looking hunter's knife in it.

You know, I get why they both got in the Impala at the end but don't you think Sam should get to keep a car for once?

You know, I get why they both got in the Impala at the end but don't you think Sam should get to keep a car for once?

Yes! Obviously the both of them climbing into the Impala is storytelling shorthand, but yes, Sam needs his own car. In Winchester terms, that's the equivalent of becoming an adult, moving out and getting your own apartment (since prior to the Bunker they lived in their cars and all). This way the other piece of storytelling is that Dean drives, Dean picks the direction, Dean's in control.

Sam's car was hot, too.