Tara: Do you have any books on robots? Giles: Oh, yes, dozens. There's a lot of research to be done in order to--no, I'm lying. Haven't got squat. I just like watching Xander squirm.

'Get It Done'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Beverly - Jan 29, 2014 2:31:31 pm PST #29395 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I'm getting a lot of "Sam's being ungrateful to Dean" on my flist and dash and other places. What I see when Sam says, "You want to work together? We work. You want us to be brothers?" And gives a tiny shake of the head. "Those are my terms."

I'm not getting that he wants to not be Dean's family, or his brother. But he wants a new role in Dean's life beside the incompetent "big giant baby", as Crowley called him, who has to be "taken care of". Who has to walk a step behind, get left at the motel when Dean roars off angry to find a bar, who doesn't get a say--or doesn't get listened to when he does say something.

Sam's not always right. But when he is, Dean historically ignores it. Dean doesn't really *see* Sam as an an autonomous adult. He's still making decisions for Sam like it's his job, his place, his duty, and his right.

And making decisions for Sam, and sometimes for Dean, is Sam's job. So, Sam wants a renegotiated contract. And I think that's fair. I think that's a good thing, and I really hope that's what's going to happen.

On the meta side, they both just look so tired, so bored, so *done* with Supernatural. It's so ironic that they put everything they could into the show in the Ostroff years, and sweated being canceled, or not being renewed, all that time. Now, when they're done and they'd probably like to say goodbye, the network CEO *loves* the show and doesn't want to end it. They're professionals, and they show up, hit their marks, say their lines. But there are no depths in their characters left to plumb. No discoveries to make. And from where I sit, any affection, any enjoyment the characters had of being in each other's company is just reduced to habit and duty.

Someone said earlier today, "It's a different show, now." And I think that's true. There won't be any recapture of the glory days, no matter how many ways Carver, et al, try to serve it up.


Amy - Jan 29, 2014 3:14:08 pm PST #29396 of 30002
Because books.

I wonder whether they'll end it by just sending them out on another hunt, family business style

That's what I would love. I loved the ending of Angel because it was so right for those characters.

In fic, I love to see them retired or raising families, but that wouldn't work for TV -- not without turning it into a family drama, which would be awful.


Typo Boy - Jan 29, 2014 3:58:24 pm PST #29397 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Of course to really be Angel like, without getting too close, the series would end with them on life support, tubes everywhere, apparently unconscious. And then a pack of monster break into the hospital room. And then the series fadeout show Sam and Deans still mostly on life-support but each of the boys has one hand free with a long dangerous looking hunter's knife in it.


aurelia - Jan 29, 2014 7:37:12 pm PST #29398 of 30002
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

You know, I get why they both got in the Impala at the end but don't you think Sam should get to keep a car for once?


Morgana - Jan 30, 2014 3:20:34 am PST #29399 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

You know, I get why they both got in the Impala at the end but don't you think Sam should get to keep a car for once?

Yes! Obviously the both of them climbing into the Impala is storytelling shorthand, but yes, Sam needs his own car. In Winchester terms, that's the equivalent of becoming an adult, moving out and getting your own apartment (since prior to the Bunker they lived in their cars and all). This way the other piece of storytelling is that Dean drives, Dean picks the direction, Dean's in control.


Amy - Jan 30, 2014 5:21:49 am PST #29400 of 30002
Because books.

Sam's car was hot, too.


Beverly - Feb 02, 2014 2:22:21 pm PST #29401 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

SPN guest star alumni in Superbowl commercials, so far: Charles Malik Whitfield (Victor Henriksen) for Cheerios and Kim Rhodes (Jodi Mills) for American Cancer Society and Chevrolet.


Strix - Feb 03, 2014 4:18:47 am PST #29402 of 30002
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

So. Info on the SPN spin-off (non-spoilery, no casting info.)

[link]


sumi - Feb 03, 2014 6:17:02 am PST #29403 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

I liked Sam's car and was sad that he abandoned it.

I wonder if he acquired it as cavalierly as he left it?


aurelia - Feb 03, 2014 7:00:55 am PST #29404 of 30002
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

In a twist right out of West Side Story

Ausiello, do you really not know Shakespeare?

So it's set in Chicago, but is it shot in Chicago?