Zoe: Next time we smuggle stock, let's make it something smaller. Wash: Yeah, we should start dealing in those black-market beagles.

'Safe'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


§ ita § - Nov 23, 2013 3:26:07 pm PST #29288 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think of Season Five as the Season Where Sam Pulled His Head Out Of His Ass Re Mommy Dean. Starting with heaven.

Here's Smiling Out of Fear by pinupchemist, Julie. Probably the best foster D/C AU I can remember reading, but I'm always open to a new good one, or remember an old good one.


§ ita § - Nov 25, 2013 1:23:57 pm PST #29289 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh ho ho. I guess I was spoiling for a fight, but I went to look up fictional MBTI scores. First off, do I believe in MBTI? Secondly, do I think you can apply rigorous psychology to fictional characters? Thirdly, how contradictory do I feel right now?

My biggest beef is about Dean, no surprise:

Dean has trouble with projecting or predicting future consequences

Why is he the team lead, then?

He draws on the details of a situation at hand, rather then having a large amount of stored knowledge about specific creatures

Why does Sam say "You're a genius -- when it comes to lore, to -- you're the best damn hunter I have ever seen -- better than me, better than dad.", huh? Huh? He remembers a bunch of shit too.

Just because you're an improviser doesn't mean you don't have a great big rolodex of info (cf bon bon's rob rob).

I do like this about Sam, though:

He is empathetic and wants to bring their life back into harmony. However, applying this function to the people closest to him is still developing.

It's one of my favourite things about him, seeing him struggle with it. And he improved his speed over Bad Boys.


Cass - Nov 25, 2013 4:33:14 pm PST #29290 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I guess I was spoiling for a fight, but I went to look up fictional MBTI scores.

Entertaining! Maybe?

First off, do I believe in MBTI?

Limited usefulness. It's not a terrible start to realizing that individuals are all different but it's not gospel. Still, it was useful for me when I first was introduced to it to realize that people see and react to the world from their unique perspective.

Secondly, do I think you can apply rigorous psychology to fictional characters?

You're usually psychoanalyzing the writer, I think. I want to think they all keep the characters separate and honor them but I don't actually believe it usually happens that way.

I mostly feel less intrusive poking in the head's of fictional characters. I'm not judging them, I am ... no, I am judging them but also a hint of fair consideration.


§ ita § - Nov 25, 2013 4:55:17 pm PST #29291 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You're usually psychoanalyzing the writer, I think

And on TV, you're psychoanalyzing a bunch of writers. So by the time you're done, you've got a good sampling of Hollywood TV writers personalities?

JUST DON'T TELL ME THAT DEAN'S NOT THE MAN WITH THE PLAN AND WITH THE LORE. The show mostly manages to still draw a distinction between Sam's kind of brains and his by colouring the attitude with which they approach the tasks, but you can't improvise if you don't have the facts to spring from. I think Sam likes to improvise less, but they'll both get out of the unexpected situation, and they'll both find the information needed to work out the case. The narrative has to balance the costars out in the end.


Cass - Nov 25, 2013 5:35:27 pm PST #29292 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

So by the time you're done, you've got a good sampling of Hollywood TV writers personalities?

Honestly? Nope. I think then you've got what just randomly made it to actual screen. But we call it "Sam" and "Dean" and totally adore them.

I do adore Dean and Sam but I think there's a lot of thinky backstory that never made it to the air waves. What airs is what airs. And that's, necessarily, more limited than canon.


§ ita § - Nov 25, 2013 7:29:55 pm PST #29293 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Castiel was supposed to sing AC/DC Back to Hell (is that the right one???) to Tanya. That was have exploded some shippers. But what we got was charming. There are intentions, and there are ...well...I'll give you the more detailed statistics once I've loaded every transcript into Evernote. It's my saviour.


-t - Nov 25, 2013 7:44:20 pm PST #29294 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Highway to Hell?


Amy - Nov 26, 2013 5:12:51 am PST #29295 of 30002
Because books.

Yeah, I can't imagine it would have been Back in Black. Although that would have been funny.

Tweets from the Burbank convention. I can see that -- Dean has been the guy supporting his brother through all the blood-drinking, into-hell-jumping, trials for a while. His storyline tends to be internal angst.


§ ita § - Nov 26, 2013 5:25:05 am PST #29296 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Dean's job is to be miserable (no one is ever comforting to him) and Sam is the best way to make him miserable, so Sam gets more things to do and more ways to be.

Highway to Hell?

Yes. says the AC/DC illiterate poster.


Amy - Nov 26, 2013 5:26:15 am PST #29297 of 30002
Because books.

It would be great to see Sam saving Dean for a change, though.