a Mariner

Not an ancient one, I hope.

On this show, you never know...

What gender were the Doublemint twins?

Didn't we see two women's silhouettes on the shade frolicking with Dean while Sam chilled in the car? It's been forever since I rewatched any of Season 3 other than "Time Is on My Side," but that was the impression I was left with back when.

Didn't we see two women's silhouettes on the shade frolicking with Dean while Sam chilled in the car?

One.

One day when I'm really bored maybe I'll peruse the scripts to see if every mentioned conquest has a gender to it, but even if it did, that would be more convincing coming from Sam (who has managed to convince me of the opportunity for no more than one dalliance with a boy) than from what we've seen of Dean. In reality, it's not like only having slept with women would make Dean straight, so only having talked about it certainly wouldn't--but sheer potential isn't the reason I discuss the topic, since this is fiction with a choice of elements--it is more wondering about why they've included other stuff they include.

Dean increasingly reads as coded as bi, or at least bicurious, but with some internalized homophobia that leads to him just not talking about it. See also, overcompensating.

What Plei said. I thought he seemed pretty proud of the way he handled his "gay thing" with Aaron (was that his name?), as well as the fact that he had a gay thing at all.

I think a Dean who routinely rent-boyed for grocery money would be a little more jaded about the whole thing.

I think a Dean who routinely rent-boyed for grocery money would be a little more jaded about the whole thing.

How about a Dean who routinely rent-boyed while either a) identifying as straight or b) keeping even the hedonistic pleasures he gets from no-string hookups out of it, who's now had a long term intimate relationship?

Just saying--if the writers wanted to go in directions, they could retcon in all sorts of ways. The wiggle room is there.

I think the Dean from Croatoan who said he doesn't swing that way really cockily (heh) was a Dean I could believe had rent-boyed. Someone who seems sort of flattered that a guy's hitting on him, not so much.

That said, I don't think the writers or even Jensen have been completely consistent with the undertones of that part of Dean's characterization. I was really surprised by a Dean who looked sickened at the sight of the Chief, for instance. The Dean in my head is much more sexually experimental and experienced.

I was really surprised by a Dean who looked sickened at the sight of the Chief, for instance. The Dean in my head is much more sexually experimental and experienced.

Wasn't that pretty soon after he got back from Hell? I'd think that Dean would still be pretty uncomfortable around anything even slightly torture-related at that point.

Yeah, but the things you'd agree to let the Chief do are not the same kind of actual torture he would have experienced in hell. Plus, Chief = great big non-threatening teddy bear.

That's the way I read it, anyway.

True, but I'm not sure that he'd been back long enough to really process that distinction.